i dont get it you guys would rahter see our money go overseas to some foreign country then help out local farmers...we have plenty of land and it isnt driving up food costs thats the expensive diesel fuel that it costs to get the food to the stores..we be keeping more money in our country we'd be foolish not to switch
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No many people look at the bio fuels as using almost as much to produce as they yield. We bankrupt our selves while reducing oil imports very little.
Common sense is lacking these days.
I eat 3 meals a day. Thats all the help that local farmers need. And, I mean 'local' farmers; not the over industrialized over subsidized farmers milking the taxpayer.
We could've used diesel to reduce our dependence on foreign sourced oil. But, the thought of 45mpg full sized cars scared the environmental lobbies. They want us on bicycles and attacked diesel. So, they mandated poor performing ULSD and viciously strict diesel emissions, soot filters..... that is killing the diesels major MPG advantage. I'm willing to sacrifice a little pollution if the amount my fuel used it reduced in half.
Don't worry. They attacked gasoline too. The emissions standards are so tough that its killing MPG. About 10% of your MPG is lost maintaining the life your emissions equipment, and other useless fuel wasting 'tricks' to meet the cleaner tailpipe requirements.
We could drill the !@#$ out of the coastline and Alaska to produce more locally sourced oil.
We could create a real tax on fuel to reduce 'abuse'. Gasoline tax is a joke. But no, we'll just add more useless lollipop subsidies that have done NOTHING. Meaning biofuels, electric or hybrid cars, hydrogen, ethanol...... wasting my money deducted from my weekly paycheck.
We could utilize the 'coal' that we have. But, silly fools think that a windmill can power the entire country. As the liberals says, we want windmills everywhere but not in our backyard(cape cod battle). @#$(%ing hypocrites. So, I called my local town about a windmill in my backyard. Hire a lawyer and battle it out with zoning. Try to put a solar panel on the roof and the 'home association' states it would be an eyesore and is NOT allowed. Hire another lawyer. And, when you beat the gov't and your communist association, you have to deal with "big electric company". Hire another lawyer along with consultants to battle them. Yeah, we're all pro-environment.
We could bring back the 'cleaner' less-deposit forming gasoline fortified with 'additives'. Remember when we reduced the quality of gasoline to lower its cost. Who did this help? I pay a couple pennies more for my gasoline and enjoy the benefit of using toptiergas.com
If you are really worried about money going overseas, quit trade with China. Then we'll have a surplus of new jobs!
The goal of the socialists is to turn the US in a 3rd world country. Then, we won't have to worry about 'fuel'. We'll all be living in shanty towns.
I eat 3 meals a day. Thats all the help that local farmers need. And, I mean 'local' farmers; not the over industrialized over subsidized farmers milking the taxpayer.
We could've used diesel to reduce our dependence on foreign sourced oil. But, the thought of 45mpg full sized cars scared the environmental lobbies. They want us on bicycles and attacked diesel. So, they mandated poor performing ULSD and viciously strict diesel emissions, soot filters..... that is killing the diesels major MPG advantage. I'm willing to sacrifice a little pollution if the amount my fuel used it reduced in half.
Don't worry. They attacked gasoline too. The emissions standards are so tough that its killing MPG. About 10% of your MPG is lost maintaining the life your emissions equipment, and other useless fuel wasting 'tricks' to meet the cleaner tailpipe requirements.
We could drill the !@#$ out of the coastline and Alaska to produce more locally sourced oil.
We could create a real tax on fuel to reduce 'abuse'. Gasoline tax is a joke. But no, we'll just add more useless lollipop subsidies that have done NOTHING. Meaning biofuels, electric or hybrid cars, hydrogen, ethanol...... wasting my money deducted from my weekly paycheck.
We could utilize the 'coal' that we have. But, silly fools think that a windmill can power the entire country. As the liberals says, we want windmills everywhere but not in our backyard(cape cod battle). @#$(%ing hypocrites. So, I called my local town about a windmill in my backyard. Hire a lawyer and battle it out with zoning. Try to put a solar panel on the roof and the 'home association' states it would be an eyesore and is NOT allowed. Hire another lawyer. And, when you beat the gov't and your communist association, you have to deal with "big electric company". Hire another lawyer along with consultants to battle them. Yeah, we're all pro-environment.
We could bring back the 'cleaner' less-deposit forming gasoline fortified with 'additives'. Remember when we reduced the quality of gasoline to lower its cost. Who did this help? I pay a couple pennies more for my gasoline and enjoy the benefit of using toptiergas.com
If you are really worried about money going overseas, quit trade with China. Then we'll have a surplus of new jobs!
The goal of the socialists is to turn the US in a 3rd world country. Then, we won't have to worry about 'fuel'. We'll all be living in shanty towns.
Great post.
Originally Posted By: BearZDefect
Then why is E85 cheaper than gasoline? I thought the subsidies make it cheaper.
Do the stations normally blend in ethanol anyway? I thought the distributor does that per regional requirements. Of course if ethanol is optional and cheaper, the distributor will add it to cheapen the fuel.
E85 is cheaper because of the subsidies. Distributors are the ones that control the final blend and then they offer it to the stations. Some independent stations cant pick their blends but others are locked into what they get. One of my friends bought a gas station years ago and alerted me when it became cheaper to get straight gas then an ethanol blend. Now with the price creeping back up we're gonna hit that sweet spot again where it makes sense to add ethanol if they can get it.
Then why is E85 cheaper than gasoline? I thought the subsidies make it cheaper.
Do the stations normally blend in ethanol anyway? I thought the distributor does that per regional requirements. Of course if ethanol is optional and cheaper, the distributor will add it to cheapen the fuel.
E85 is cheaper because of the subsidies. Distributors are the ones that control the final blend and then they offer it to the stations. Some independent stations cant pick their blends but others are locked into what they get. One of my friends bought a gas station years ago and alerted me when it became cheaper to get straight gas then an ethanol blend. Now with the price creeping back up we're gonna hit that sweet spot again where it makes sense to add ethanol if they can get it.
Originally Posted By: unDummy
For stratton PN 100023 and test away.
For $0 you can add 10% tap water to your fuel sample and watch the fuel seperate.
Fill a 100ml specified cylinder with 90ml of fuel you are testing
Add 10ml of water and install the stopper
Shake the cylinder vigorously for 10-15 seconds
Carefully loosen the stopper to release the pressure
Reinstall the stopper and shake the cylinder vigorously again.
Place the cylinder on a level surface for five minutes.
The Water in the fuel serves to separate the alcohol from the fuel and forms a cloudy area at the bottom of the sample.
If after the mixture settles, there is more than 10% water in the bottom layer, alcohol is present in the mixture.
Suppose there was 15ml of water in the bottom of the container. This indicates that there was at least 5% alcohol in the mixture. The alcohol content may be more than 5% because this procedure does not remove all of the alcohol.
If your sample has no ethanol there would be exactly 10ml of clear water at the bottom of the sample
If you suspect more ethanol add a larger quantity or water. (20%, 30% water to the mix)
A graduated cylinder works best but you could also use a cheap rain guage from a home improvement store
For stratton PN 100023 and test away.
For $0 you can add 10% tap water to your fuel sample and watch the fuel seperate.
Fill a 100ml specified cylinder with 90ml of fuel you are testing
Add 10ml of water and install the stopper
Shake the cylinder vigorously for 10-15 seconds
Carefully loosen the stopper to release the pressure
Reinstall the stopper and shake the cylinder vigorously again.
Place the cylinder on a level surface for five minutes.
The Water in the fuel serves to separate the alcohol from the fuel and forms a cloudy area at the bottom of the sample.
If after the mixture settles, there is more than 10% water in the bottom layer, alcohol is present in the mixture.
Suppose there was 15ml of water in the bottom of the container. This indicates that there was at least 5% alcohol in the mixture. The alcohol content may be more than 5% because this procedure does not remove all of the alcohol.
If your sample has no ethanol there would be exactly 10ml of clear water at the bottom of the sample
If you suspect more ethanol add a larger quantity or water. (20%, 30% water to the mix)
A graduated cylinder works best but you could also use a cheap rain guage from a home improvement store
Originally Posted By: unDummy
Common sense is lacking these days.
I eat 3 meals a day. Thats all the help that local farmers need. And, I mean 'local' farmers; not the over industrialized over subsidized farmers milking the taxpayer.
We could've used diesel to reduce our dependence on foreign sourced oil. But, the thought of 45mpg full sized cars scared the environmental lobbies. They want us on bicycles and attacked diesel. So, they mandated poor performing ULSD and viciously strict diesel emissions, soot filters..... that is killing the diesels major MPG advantage. I'm willing to sacrifice a little pollution if the amount my fuel used it reduced in half.
Don't worry. They attacked gasoline too. The emissions standards are so tough that its killing MPG. About 10% of your MPG is lost maintaining the life your emissions equipment, and other useless fuel wasting 'tricks' to meet the cleaner tailpipe requirements.
We could drill the !@#$ out of the coastline and Alaska to produce more locally sourced oil.
We could create a real tax on fuel to reduce 'abuse'. Gasoline tax is a joke. But no, we'll just add more useless lollipop subsidies that have done NOTHING. Meaning biofuels, electric or hybrid cars, hydrogen, ethanol...... wasting my money deducted from my weekly paycheck.
We could utilize the 'coal' that we have. But, silly fools think that a windmill can power the entire country. As the liberals says, we want windmills everywhere but not in our backyard(cape cod battle). @#$(%ing hypocrites. So, I called my local town about a windmill in my backyard. Hire a lawyer and battle it out with zoning. Try to put a solar panel on the roof and the 'home association' states it would be an eyesore and is NOT allowed. Hire another lawyer. And, when you beat the gov't and your communist association, you have to deal with "big electric company". Hire another lawyer along with consultants to battle them. Yeah, we're all pro-environment.
We could bring back the 'cleaner' less-deposit forming gasoline fortified with 'additives'. Remember when we reduced the quality of gasoline to lower its cost. Who did this help? I pay a couple pennies more for my gasoline and enjoy the benefit of using toptiergas.com
If you are really worried about money going overseas, quit trade with China. Then we'll have a surplus of new jobs!
The goal of the socialists is to turn the US in a 3rd world country. Then, we won't have to worry about 'fuel'. We'll all be living in shanty towns.
WoW! That is about as right on as I have ever seen, I couldnt have said it better. I agree 100% now if we could get the rest of the population on the same page. Of course it would never happen, I dont know how many people I talk to that think we could just switch to windmills and solar power and live happily ever after. I want to just choke them.
Common sense is lacking these days.
I eat 3 meals a day. Thats all the help that local farmers need. And, I mean 'local' farmers; not the over industrialized over subsidized farmers milking the taxpayer.
We could've used diesel to reduce our dependence on foreign sourced oil. But, the thought of 45mpg full sized cars scared the environmental lobbies. They want us on bicycles and attacked diesel. So, they mandated poor performing ULSD and viciously strict diesel emissions, soot filters..... that is killing the diesels major MPG advantage. I'm willing to sacrifice a little pollution if the amount my fuel used it reduced in half.
Don't worry. They attacked gasoline too. The emissions standards are so tough that its killing MPG. About 10% of your MPG is lost maintaining the life your emissions equipment, and other useless fuel wasting 'tricks' to meet the cleaner tailpipe requirements.
We could drill the !@#$ out of the coastline and Alaska to produce more locally sourced oil.
We could create a real tax on fuel to reduce 'abuse'. Gasoline tax is a joke. But no, we'll just add more useless lollipop subsidies that have done NOTHING. Meaning biofuels, electric or hybrid cars, hydrogen, ethanol...... wasting my money deducted from my weekly paycheck.
We could utilize the 'coal' that we have. But, silly fools think that a windmill can power the entire country. As the liberals says, we want windmills everywhere but not in our backyard(cape cod battle). @#$(%ing hypocrites. So, I called my local town about a windmill in my backyard. Hire a lawyer and battle it out with zoning. Try to put a solar panel on the roof and the 'home association' states it would be an eyesore and is NOT allowed. Hire another lawyer. And, when you beat the gov't and your communist association, you have to deal with "big electric company". Hire another lawyer along with consultants to battle them. Yeah, we're all pro-environment.
We could bring back the 'cleaner' less-deposit forming gasoline fortified with 'additives'. Remember when we reduced the quality of gasoline to lower its cost. Who did this help? I pay a couple pennies more for my gasoline and enjoy the benefit of using toptiergas.com
If you are really worried about money going overseas, quit trade with China. Then we'll have a surplus of new jobs!
The goal of the socialists is to turn the US in a 3rd world country. Then, we won't have to worry about 'fuel'. We'll all be living in shanty towns.
WoW! That is about as right on as I have ever seen, I couldnt have said it better. I agree 100% now if we could get the rest of the population on the same page. Of course it would never happen, I dont know how many people I talk to that think we could just switch to windmills and solar power and live happily ever after. I want to just choke them.
I don't know anyone who says wind and solar can solve everything. Either I've been really lucky with the people I've met, or you guys talk to some strange folks.
I also don't see what lawyers have to do with environmental concerns. Last I checked, lawyers did not comprise a large proportion of the people lobbying for wind and solar power.
Also, I thought you needed more crude to get a gallon of diesel than you need to get a gallon of gasoline, which partially offsets the MPG gains in terms of barrels of oil consumed.
I also don't think any parties need to be choked, even the people who urinate in my Cheerios.
But maybe that's just me.
I suppose I agree with whatever's left of the above post.
I also don't see what lawyers have to do with environmental concerns. Last I checked, lawyers did not comprise a large proportion of the people lobbying for wind and solar power.
Also, I thought you needed more crude to get a gallon of diesel than you need to get a gallon of gasoline, which partially offsets the MPG gains in terms of barrels of oil consumed.
I also don't think any parties need to be choked, even the people who urinate in my Cheerios.
But maybe that's just me.
I suppose I agree with whatever's left of the above post.
Our Altima got 34 mpg highway as advertised brand new. One month later we were force fed ethanol blend fuel and killed our mpg. Our 4 cylinder now gets no better than 29 mpg hwy no matter how we drive. This happened immediately after the new fuel change.
I found a local supplier to sell us off-road 90 octane ethanol free fuel. It's insane how much better mpg we get without even trying to drive slower. We get our 34 MPG again- no [censored]. Not only that but the car idles smoother in gear too. With ethanol blend you can feel it idling, with non ethanol you can't feel it running and have to look at the tach to be able to tell.
I have no problem running non ethanol fuel when it gets me another 100 miles to a tank of fuel....
I found a local supplier to sell us off-road 90 octane ethanol free fuel. It's insane how much better mpg we get without even trying to drive slower. We get our 34 MPG again- no [censored]. Not only that but the car idles smoother in gear too. With ethanol blend you can feel it idling, with non ethanol you can't feel it running and have to look at the tach to be able to tell.
I have no problem running non ethanol fuel when it gets me another 100 miles to a tank of fuel....
Originally Posted By: tmorris1
I don't disagree with you, but your car would have to sit a long time (months) before it would start hard.
Up north in the colder parts of the year E-85 is actually E-70 because of the hard starting problems with Ethanol.
Huge subsidies involved that farmers and Ethanol Producers get from the taxpayers. Heavy import duties keep the stuff from coming into the country from producers like Brazil where Sugar Cane is used for production of Ethanol.
I don't disagree with you, but your car would have to sit a long time (months) before it would start hard.
Up north in the colder parts of the year E-85 is actually E-70 because of the hard starting problems with Ethanol.
Huge subsidies involved that farmers and Ethanol Producers get from the taxpayers. Heavy import duties keep the stuff from coming into the country from producers like Brazil where Sugar Cane is used for production of Ethanol.
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