If your car took 5w-30 and you lived in Canada and can get either one for free. Which one would you choose and why?
Esso 0w-40 VS Mobil Delvac 5w-40
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I forgot to mention that the 0w-40 is Esso XD-3. I know both are for Deisel engines but I have read that they both will work for Gasoline engines..
I'd use neither unless I couldn't afford the proper oil, in any event, the Esso XD3 0w-40 wins hands down for it's cold flow properties.
Why would you use neither? They're both good oils, and you can't beat the price.
Because the recommendation is for a PCMO 5w30 most likely, and those HDEO Xw40s are just more viscous through the entire viscosity range except at the lower limit. XD-3 0w30 would be a lot more appropriate.
With additional information, I may reconsider, but from what info is given, including the location, that's how I see it.
One other option is to mix in a couple of quarts of synthetic 0w20, but I'm not a big fan of mixing various addpacks accept for very short OCIs.
I just thought that some people switch between 5w-20 and 5w-30 with no problems then why not switch between 5w-30 and 5w-40. I know I might lose some mpg but both there web pages claim it can be used in a Gasoline Engine.
Both good oils
I would use the Esso XD-3 0w40 for its cold flow. I use it year round in my Porsche. Nothing wrong with the Mobil but for canada the 0w of the XD-3 counts.
For your specific application (car that specs a 5w30) if i had the option I would use the Esso XD-3 0w30. It seems to be less commonly available at retail but the grade does exist.
I would use the Esso XD-3 0w40 for its cold flow. I use it year round in my Porsche. Nothing wrong with the Mobil but for canada the 0w of the XD-3 counts.
For your specific application (car that specs a 5w30) if i had the option I would use the Esso XD-3 0w30. It seems to be less commonly available at retail but the grade does exist.
In an engine degined for a 5w30, the 0w40 is an incredibly thick oil that should not be exposed to a light duty oil pump in cold conditions.
It will cause oil starvation, enhanced wear, poor oil flow and rediculously high oil pressures.
That and longer warm ups.
http://www.esso.ca/Canada-English/Files/Products_Lubes/IOCAENCVLESEsso_Xd-3_extra.pdf
can't beat the cold flow characteristics of XD 0w40...better than most 5w30s out there
BlazerLT,
you really should read the specs and manuf. info once in awhile instead of spreading lies
can't beat the cold flow characteristics of XD 0w40...better than most 5w30s out there
BlazerLT,
you really should read the specs and manuf. info once in awhile instead of spreading lies
Low Temperature Recommendations
ESSO XD-3 EXTRA is available in five
monogrades and five multigrades satisfying a
full range of low and high temperature
performance requirements. To ensure good
lubricant fluidity during critical warm-up
periods, selection of the proper viscosity grade is
essential.
The following table summarizes the minimum
start-up temperatures recommended by grade to
provide adequate lubrication after startup:
Grade Expected Low Ambient Temperature
15W-40 -20°C
10W-30 -25°C
5W-30 -30°C
0W-40 -40°C
0W-30 -40°C
ESSO XD-3 EXTRA is available in five
monogrades and five multigrades satisfying a
full range of low and high temperature
performance requirements. To ensure good
lubricant fluidity during critical warm-up
periods, selection of the proper viscosity grade is
essential.
The following table summarizes the minimum
start-up temperatures recommended by grade to
provide adequate lubrication after startup:
Grade Expected Low Ambient Temperature
15W-40 -20°C
10W-30 -25°C
5W-30 -30°C
0W-40 -40°C
0W-30 -40°C
Maybe you should look into what you are posting before you say I am lying.
Kinematic Viscosity (cst)
@ -15c
XD3 0w40 = 2418.61
Esso 5w30 = 1811.68
@ -20c
XD3 0w40 = 3737.24
Esso 5w30 = 2861.12
@ -30c
XD3 0w40 = 9905.36
Esso 5w30 = 8023.14
These are significant difference in viscosities at those colder temperatures.
Maybe you should look beyond pour point and know what you are talking about before you call me a liar and save making yourself look like a fool.
I use XD3 0w30 myself so don't pawn off some notion that I am against this oil because I love it.
I just know how to crunch REAL numbers instead of glancing at a stat sheet adn calling people liars.
kthx
where is your proof of these ridiculous pseudo science ?statements?
look up the definition of falsehood
i have not seen an engine ruined, damaged or destroyed by 0w40 PAO oil
BlazerLT
look up the definition of falsehood
i have not seen an engine ruined, damaged or destroyed by 0w40 PAO oil
BlazerLT
What, you call me a liar and I throw it back into your face and now you go after another point to call me a liar on?
I never said anything would be destroyed, and you have no idea what you are talking about as I proved in my previous post.
It doesn't matter if it is a 0w40 PAO, if it is too thick, it is too thick. The oil will take longer to thin out to transport throughout the engine and seeing you will be stressing an oil pump designed for a lighter grade standard oil, not a 0w40 thick HDEO that as shown before is a lot thicker than the oil it is designed to pump at lower temperatures.
This leads to oil starvation and poor startup lubrication which leads to more startup wear.
I use XD3 0w30 in my truck designed for a 30 weight oil and heck, even the 30 weight in cold temperatures is thicker than a stadard 5w30 dino oil until you get below -35c.
I never said anything would be destroyed, and you have no idea what you are talking about as I proved in my previous post.
It doesn't matter if it is a 0w40 PAO, if it is too thick, it is too thick. The oil will take longer to thin out to transport throughout the engine and seeing you will be stressing an oil pump designed for a lighter grade standard oil, not a 0w40 thick HDEO that as shown before is a lot thicker than the oil it is designed to pump at lower temperatures.
This leads to oil starvation and poor startup lubrication which leads to more startup wear.
I use XD3 0w30 in my truck designed for a 30 weight oil and heck, even the 30 weight in cold temperatures is thicker than a stadard 5w30 dino oil until you get below -35c.
It's the cold cranking and pumping numbers that matter in really cold temps, not kinematic viscosity. The former and latter are not directly related. I.E. two oils can have equal kinematic viscosities at x degrees, but different pumpability and crankability at the same temp. The table above is based on these properties.
Oops I forget to say I'd go with Esso 0W-40 out of those two in Canada.
Pumpability has a lot to do with kinematic viscosity so I have no idea where you got that notion from.
Viscosity is the resistance to flow, you have high viscosity, you have higher resistance to flow and therefore, reduced flow and higher pressure.
The guy called me a liar and his basis was pour point which is just straight out ridiculous.
My calculations were based off of the viscosity index for each oil.
Triple_Se7en
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This is most interesting!
Things are beginning to heat up in the Cold War here.
Personally, I would take all the free Esso oil. I would then buy one quart of either 5W-20 or 0W-20 to blend in for better oil flow in the summer -- then buy two quarts of thin 20W Esso for better cold flow in the winter. So if you vehicle takes 10 quarts every two oil changes (twice a year)... you only pay for three quarts.... still pretty darn good at around 70% free.
This will get you down in the 0W-30 range - in any type of weather.
Things are beginning to heat up in the Cold War here.
Personally, I would take all the free Esso oil. I would then buy one quart of either 5W-20 or 0W-20 to blend in for better oil flow in the summer -- then buy two quarts of thin 20W Esso for better cold flow in the winter. So if you vehicle takes 10 quarts every two oil changes (twice a year)... you only pay for three quarts.... still pretty darn good at around 70% free.
This will get you down in the 0W-30 range - in any type of weather.
That sounds perfect to me. I just needed to know what I should with this free oil. I guess I will be blending it with a 5w20. Thanks for all the info. I wounder if in the summer the 5w40 would be better to blend??
don't do it hollywood and Triple_se7en
XD3 0w40 will destroy your engine and freeze you out in winter, heater won't work I guess
that new Hemi may hit 3,000 psi on oil pressure
BlazerLT "In an engine degined for a 5w30, the 0w40 is an incredibly thick oil that should not be exposed to a light duty oil pump in cold conditions.
It will cause oil starvation, enhanced wear, poor oil flow and rediculously high oil pressures."
send all that 0w40 XD3 ESSO down to me or I'll even drive up to pick up a free load with the F350 to save your engines from sure DEATH and DESTRUCTION
probably destroy the 6L TPS in my F350 in a million miles or so
Mobil has played games with our used to be wonderful long OCI Mobil 1 PAO and I'm stuck with Redline and Amsoil, both overpriced and hard to find
XD3 0w40 will destroy your engine and freeze you out in winter, heater won't work I guess
that new Hemi may hit 3,000 psi on oil pressure
BlazerLT "In an engine degined for a 5w30, the 0w40 is an incredibly thick oil that should not be exposed to a light duty oil pump in cold conditions.
It will cause oil starvation, enhanced wear, poor oil flow and rediculously high oil pressures."
send all that 0w40 XD3 ESSO down to me or I'll even drive up to pick up a free load with the F350 to save your engines from sure DEATH and DESTRUCTION
probably destroy the 6L TPS in my F350 in a million miles or so
Mobil has played games with our used to be wonderful long OCI Mobil 1 PAO and I'm stuck with Redline and Amsoil, both overpriced and hard to find
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