Escape hybrid dead

Update on the Escape. Consulted a "hybrid specialist" who came to the garage and we removed the high voltage battery. He took it to his shop and took it apart, cleaned, charged, "rebalanced" it and we put it back in today. Voila! Fired up immediately, no CELs or other dash lights. Runs great.
I suspect this was a case of the high voltage battery draining too much from being parked thus making the car not startable despite 12v battery being fine as it doesn't provide the starting power. I suspect that if Foed had retained the jumpstart button for 2009 that I could have used that to start the car myself and saved a good bit of cash. Live and learn.
 
Great you got it going, and great info (we have Fusion Hybrid)
… but based on your signature it does not appear you were left on foot ðŸ§
 
Originally Posted by drfeelgood
I suspect that if Foed had retained the jumpstart button for 2009 that I could have used that to start the car myself and saved a good bit of cash. Live and learn.


Any way that you can retrofit one?
How much did this cost you?
And thanks for the update!
 
Originally Posted by zzyzzx
Originally Posted by drfeelgood
I suspect that if Foed had retained the jumpstart button for 2009 that I could have used that to start the car myself and saved a good bit of cash. Live and learn.


Any way that you can retrofit one?
How much did this cost you?
And thanks for the update!

I asked the hybrid specialist I used and he thought it would not be easy as there was evidently an inverter or something akin(I'm not an electrician!) to it that was eliminated, as well as the switch and wiring. Total OTD cost including his travel and labor to my place was $1k, which I guess is cheaper than a replacement battery pack. And he warrants his work.
 
Thank you for the update. Glad you found a guy that did good work to get you running. I wonder if the rebalance was a conditioned charge (my guess) or if it included R&R any suspect-weak cells.
 
Your FEH battery has already started to self-discharge. This is common as they age. The rate of discharge is highly variable per vehicle but it generally goes up with age and high usage (i.e. mileage). It has nothing to do directly with the 12V battery. Keeping the 12V on a tender will not stop the high voltage battery from discharging as part of it's normal life cycle (note that your vehicle is 10 plus years old so it's done well). The battery refresh may help to extend the life of your main. Or it may not. Its best to grab and laptop and load FORSCAN on it. With an OBD2 device, you can go into the Battery Control Module BCM and Powertrain Control Module (PCM) and look at how healthly your hybrid system is including SOC state of charge. Older FEH's should be driven a few times per week. Once you see on FORSCAN how quickly your battery is discharging when it sits, you can develop a plan that suits your circumstances. The only way to prevent self-discharge when sitting is to disconnect the negative on the (small) 12V battery in the engine compartment. Some owners have apparently put a switch in to facilitate this. That said, you may have a parasitic negative grounding issue somewhere. A Ford Escape Hybrid specialist could help you with this. Fortunately, this is unlikely. The FEH is a great vehicle and super fuel efficient but the newest ones are now 8 years old. if you want to keep your FEH, go on greenhybrid.com and learn all you can about their geriatric years. Your vehicle can possibly serve you well for many more years but you have to make at least a few minor changes in your relationship with it. On a final note, since your MY does not have a recharge button, ensure your 12V is high quality, fits properly and is never over three years old. Keep it charged by driving it regularly or remove (or have a knowledgeable person remove) the negative cable on the underhood (small) 12V battery. Anyone how touches your vehicle should use normal safety procedures and not do anything they have knowledge and experience in. The high voltage system is very dangerous unless you are a specialist so don't monkey with it. But do develop an understanding using FORSCAN from the drivers seat.
 
Oil Monkey
Thanks for the input to a dormant thread. We are now rotating the FEH into the regular use fleet more to try to forestall another incident. What you wrote makes a lot of sense. I had not heard about disconnecting the 12v if the car is to sit for any length of time, but will try to remember to do this.
Regarding the FORSCAN, is this something easily available? I assume I would have to find an OBD to USB adapter to plug into the 'puter?

Thanks!
 
See the following links if you want to follow-up. If you end up posting your PCM and BCM output here, I can compare it to our 2010 FEH and give you my shade tree amateur opinion. Its also good to maximize the HV charge before you park it. One way to do this is to avoid encouraging it to go into EV mode just prior to parking it and avoid idling before turning it off. Greenhybrid.com also has instructions that someone can use to charge a discharged 2009-12 at home. This requires a proper knowedge, a comfort level as well as proper safety equipment for HV to do correctly and safely as well as a few purchased parts. There are still Ford dealers out there that can properly and honestly fix your machine if you need help along with a few competent independants. It's best to make a list of local service providers before something goes wrong. The 2009-12's are rare beasts and good service can be hard to get. As a used vehicle, they can be acquired at bargain prices but the knowledgeable buyer should be prepared to happily scrap their investment in the event of their first uneconomical repair. The reward is a great city/highway compact SUV with exceptional fuel economy.

https://forscan.org/home.html
http://elm327.com/
 
I realize this is an old thread, but in case anyone with this problem comes across it, here is a link to a thread with directions to construct a HVTB charger using an LED power supply....around $50 in parts. It requires removing the cover of the HVTB and installing a harness.

HVTB charger
 
Battery and price, is why you never buy one of those kind of cars. Buying any kind of huge battery pack car is like tossing the money down the toilet. Like ya say when the batterys go bad then the car is basically scrap. Hybrids and electric cars are for wealthy people, that want to walk the talk.
Whoa, wait on that one. Anymore, owning any vehicle is for the rich. Getting an engine and transmission rebuilt on more of our newer vehicles is now up there if not more than a battery is. Secondly, there are now people who do specialize in these batteries.
 
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