Engine ticking, I"m thinking filter, what do you think?

[rockerc]

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Originally posted by JohnBrowning:
Airborne Ranger, I would not sweat this too much. This is a first rate oil and is not going to cause any damage. While you might hear sounds change with different fluid the fact that it is noisier is not always a sign of trouble. Ford Ranger with the V6 are notorious for noisey lifters!! THey have always been noisey. The 3.0 Colgne engine had this problem and the bored and stroked 4.0L version of this engine has always had this same problem. Every one I know who ones one has this same experince some where between 20,000 - 50,000 miles with very few execeptions. So far the noise does not seem to cause durability issue.

If you are very alarmed about this ask the dealership. If you had a bunch of collapsed lifters then performance would suffer! Thicker oils seem to quite it down but do not elimanate it!

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Kind of off topic, but I have to set you straight here.

The 3.0 vulcan ford pushrod v-6 has no relationship to the 4.0 pushrod "cologne" made engine.

3.0 is a bastard child that commonly ticks alot. It's normal. Dont worry about it, unless it gets progressivly worse. It is made at the Lima, OH engine plant and is a 90* v-6 that is unrelated to the below:


The 4.0 is a bored and stroked evolution of the 2.9l found in mid 80's rangers.

The 2.9 is a decendent of the 2.6l engine. These three are all 90* v-6's that were designed and built by ford in cologne, germany.

 

[rockerc]

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Originally posted by joee12:
John Browning is right. I had the same ticking in my 2000 3.0 Mazda Truck. Don't even bother taking it to the dealer either, after two CPUs, a new MAF and new plugs, wires and coil, the thing still ticked. This is a known problem with the 3.0 engine. -Joe

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Addressing your issue with the 3.0:

Commonly this is misdiagnosed as a lifter tick or something similar, but in reality it is pinging (detonation). If you had a 00' model year, I assume your's was a FFV, which had more problems with pinging than the normal 3.0.

There really isnt a fix for it, it is just a normal quirk of the engine. My 96' 3.0 doesnt ping, but then again, its 4 years older and doesnt have all that equiptment to handel e-85 fuel.

Most people said that running 89 octane gas and using AWSS12PP (double platinums) helped alot.

 

[oilpan49]

Thanks again everyone, keep it coming

My Ranger has the 2.5L dual plug 4 banger. When I say dual plug, I mean Fords famous 2 spark plugs per cylinder setup. Well I ran some Amsoil PI through it, just gave me worse gas mileage, didn't do anything for the tick.

Odd today though, the Ranger was silent today, no ticking, no nothing, silent, I"m puzzled

Well I"ll keep trying and see what the problem is. Thanks again everyone,,,,,,,91

 

[Robbie Alexander]

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Originally posted by wulimaster:
I am thinking noisy injector. Put an injector cleaner/lubricant additive in your gas and run a tank through and see if goes away. I use Amsoil PI but there are many other good products.

The Amsoil probably quieted your engine so much that the ticking seems loader now.

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I think you are right, Injectors. Mine (TOY)done past 376659-miles today, and been knocking since new...still gets me sometimes, I've asked about twenty or twenty-five mechanics and they say injectors.
The fuel conditioners/additives help, mine never goes away, but what got rid of almost all of it, almost all the time was an electronics ignition upgrade like a Jacobs or a MDK, but then again they "R" or can be hassles on their own.

 

[Christopher R. Wise]

I had the same thing happen.

I changed the oil added Delo 400 15-40 and a K&N HP-3001.

And now it has a heavy tick, light knock sound only happens on decel in the 1100-1500 RPM, And sound like only one cylinder.

Changed filter to Fleetguard no change, on Monday will change to Factory filter and 30 weight oil.

If anybody has any ideas would like to hear it.

Christopher

 

[oilpan49]

ok my Ranger has a mind of it's own, seems like

didn't make a sound today. No tick, no pinging of any kind and all was silent. I'm going to keep an eye on it of when it does it and the weather conditions. Maybe I can spot a trend of what's going on and maybe that will help me get my solution. Thanks guys,,,,AR

 

[Mike_dup1]

That oil is pretty smart, now that it knows you are watching, it pretending to work?


Sometimes I think we all just get paranoid over every single noise we hear, I know I went thru that phase years ago and decided I was chasing ghosts. I read somewhere once in a GM publication I think, that noise in the car was the number one complaint of car/trucks owners. People expect a vehicle to run silent and think every noise they here, that something must be wrong. The forget about all the moving parts both big and small.

Wait till you get older and can't hear are well, these noise's won't bother at all. You will have other things to worry about.

 

[oilpan49]

I found when my ranger usually does it most and when it doesn't. When the engine is cold around 1400 RPM in park or just barely accelerating ont he gas is when it does tick and ping the worst. When you left off the gas when the engine is cold is when the tick is espeically bad. the tick does run with engine speed, i.e, as the engine spins faster, likewise the tick

When the engine is warmed up to operating temp at idle, accelerating or regardless the conditions it doesn't make a sound period! Still, a clean well maintained engine shouldn't tick or ping period! I recently talked to a buddy of mine. He drives the same thing as I do only it's ext, cab with the same engine. He says he just uses the reccomended oil, motorcraft and it runs just fine. He also uses the reccomeneded motorcraft filter. So am I jsut flushing $8/qt down the drain here?????

 

[Mike_dup1]

No,


If the engine runs good a normal temps, what makes you think there is a problem? How long does it take to warm up, 5 minutes? How do you even know what that noise it, you are presuming its the engine and for all you know if could be anything. You have a engine with many moving parts made out of various metals, plastics and even some rubber. Expecting everything to run quite on a 5 yr old vehicle is asking a lot.

I think you are making a big deal out of nothing.

btw-I have had a chance to listen my freinds 2000 Range 4x4 E. Cab w/4 cyl just yeaterday. I did not hear any ticking because something else was making a louder noise. Guess what, he does not even notice the noise or care. Truck has 60,000 miles and was owned by a woman who traded it in on a Chevy.

[ August 29, 2003, 10:15 AM: Message edited by: Mike ]

 

[oilpan49]

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Originally posted by Mike:
No,


If the engine runs good a normal temps, what makes you think there is a problem? How long does it take to warm up, 5 minutes? How do you even know what that noise it, you are presuming its the engine and for all you know if could be anything. You have a engine with many moving parts made out of various metals, plastics and even some rubber. Expecting everything to run quite on a 5 yr old vehicle is asking a lot.

I think you are making a big deal out of nothing.

btw-I have had a chance to listen my freinds 2000 Range 4x4 E. Cab w/4 cyl just yeaterday. I did not hear any ticking because something else was making a louder noise. Guess what, he does not even notice the noise or care. Truck has 60,000 miles and was owned by a woman who traded it in on a Chevy.

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Well excuse me sorry I asked!!! later

 

[Scali62]

If it's anything like my '94 Mitsubishi truck & the lifters bleed down during an oil change I MUST run 5w 30w or thinner oil. I can then add some 10w 30w in between changes which slows my 1000 mile a qt. or so consumption.
BUT I just screwed this up last oil change { middle aged brain fart } & had to drain off 2 qts. then added 2 qts. 5w 30 Synthetic & the noises stopped , almost like friggan magic which is good because the ticking was making me nuts, I was hearing it in my sleep

 

[NutBuster]

it's your lifters...I have no doubt of that. Just a little varnish/sludge will cause the lifter to stick in its bore rather than gliding smoothly with the cam lobe.

I think you should experiment with a different weigt of oil (5w30 or 10w-30) and make sure you're staying with a reasonable change interval. I wouldn't run it past 4,000 miles...not even on synth. I think all you have is a little varnish in the lifter mechanism. In the old days, they would run various things in the oil to cure that such as ATF or a little kerosene. I never tried those, but some people swore by it. Eventually companies like Hastings and B'laster came out with additives specifically designed to quiet lifters. Since you're only hearing it when cold, I think the viscosity issue will resolve it. One of the lifters in my LS1 gives a few taps when it's cold if I'm running synthetic oil...I'm not sure why. It doesn't bother me...I just switch to Dino oil every few changes.