Effect of Oil Filters on UOAs

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I noticed that there is a pretty significant difference in the filtration level between oil filters - with some only claiming 99% at 30 microns, with others having a 99% at 20 microns rating. Bypass filtration systems go even lower.

Would this not affect the UOA wear metals? Would be interesting to see how wear metals also correlate with filtration level.
 
From what I've seen a filter can have an effect on UOA. Another recommendation would be to get Particle Count on your UOA.
 
Would this not affect the UOA wear metals

Perhaps on a new vehicle.

Many years ago here on Bobistheoilguy the original owner of Bobistheoilguy had a well used ford van that he made an oil filer bypass set up on and did UOA on it with and without oil filter there was almost no difference in the wear metals UOAs.
 
I would expect there to be a difference in particle count.

Interesting that the original owner didn't see any change in the UOA report - does that mean that UOA analysis is not counting larger particles like above 10 microns?
 
In short to moderate OCIs, the filter efficiency has no statistically significant effect on wear rates, as long as the efficiency is reasonable.
In longer OCIs, it can be of some importance.
In greatly extended OCIs, it's paramount.

However, as much as BITOGers are accustomed to getting themselves in a tizzy about filters, there's plenty of anecdotal evidence that suggests many vehicles can go hundreds of thousands of miles on, shall we say, moderate filters. Case in point, the scads of Toyotas running their own Toyota branded filters, which often are on the low end of filtration efficiency. That loose filter design doesn't seem to stop them.
 
I would expect there to be a difference in particle count.

Interesting that the original owner didn't see any change in the UOA report - does that mean that UOA analysis is not counting larger particles like above 10 microns?
ICP(Inductively Coupled Plasma) spectrometry is designed to measure elements in solution, not particles in suspension. Droplets larger than about 4.5 microns destabilize the plasma. The proper operation of the instrument depends on the spray chamber removing "particles" larger than the 4.5-5 micron target range. The finer the droplets the nebulizer produces and the higher the efficiency of the spray chamber system at removing the larger droplets, the better the detection limit and relative standard deviation of the instrument. Manufacturers go to great lengths to send those 4.5+ micron drops down the drain tube instead of into the plasma.

The size of the particle is it's aerodynamic diameter, which is affected by density and shape. The 4.5 micron size is based on spherical water droplets. Due to the density of metallic wear particles, the largest that should get passed to the plasma is 1-3 microns, depending on the specific metal.

Most ICP operators don't have a clue has to how the instrument works or what they are actually measuring. Some of Blackstone's comments are a prime example of this. The older technology DCP(Direct Current Plasma) spectrometry that was commonly used for oil analysis before ICP was common had a more robust plasma and was more tolerant of larger particles. Their sample induction systems would pass particles in the 10 micron range. I'm guessing that there was some small carryover of particles in the 20 micron range. This may be where the idea that current oil analysis sees 10-20 micron particles comes from.

Ed
 
Right, I don’t doubt that us bitogers can get caught on details that don’t matter much in the long run -

And that’s surprising - so the uoa doesn’t tell the whole story of wear metals - there could be a large amount of bigger particles that aren’t being reported?
 
... - so the uoa doesn’t tell the whole story of wear metals - there could be a large amount of bigger particles that aren’t being reported?

Correct; UOAs do not report all particles, because they can only see up to around 5um. UOAs show you a representation (a sample) of the total population; we take an inference from the wear metals. UOAs have been shown in various studies to have good correlation to represent wear, when compared to other methods such as electron bombardment, component weight analysis, etc. UOAs can best show trends; that's what we should be most interested in. Knowing the averages, standard deviations and trending is a good step towards understand what's happening in the engine.

UOAs see content, but not size. They have no ability to tell you how big or small particles are.
PCs see size, but not content. They have no ability to tell you the composition of the particles.

Short to moderate OCIs tend to have lower particle counts, and that results in lower wear. This makes sense for two reasons:
- less exposure to ingested contamination such as Si
- less exposure to generated contamination such as soot

That second issue, soot, is often misunderstood. Soot starts out super small; like around 40nm. (That's nanometers, not micrometers). So a soot particle would have to grow about 100x larger just to be 4um. As a generality, hard particles smaller than 5um do little damage to an engine. Don't confuse the quantity of soot particles with the size of soot particles. By weight, they could be the same. But it's much preferred to have a lot of little particles which can harmlessly pass through the engine, rather than a few large particles capable of gouging bearing surfaces, etc.

The additive package in lubricants reduces the rate at which soot can agglomerate (cojoin). And so, with short to moderate OCIs, two beneficial concepts are working in concert.
- soot has not had a significant amount of time to be produced in large quantities
- soot has not been very successful in agglomeration, because the add-pack is not depleted

And so, traditional FF filtration (typically only 50% effective at 10um or so), really has no effect in controlling wear caused by soot in short to moderate OCIs. Normal FF filters are quite good at stopping large particles, but they really have a poor ability to control wear in that critical 5-15um size; a lot can get past them.

The reason UOAs don't show significant differences in wear rates when the filter is the variable is because that filter really isn't doing much below 10um in short to moderate OCIs. Whether you have an average filter efficiency (80% at 20um) or a great one (99% at 20um), you're not going to be able to distinguish the filter as a controlling entity because the "normal" variation of wear is larger than the effect of the filter.

It is true, and I completely agree, that tighter filtration is desirable. It's never going to be a bad thing to use a more efficient filter. If you run longer OCIs, where the accumulation of higher concentrations of contamination are more likely, and soot has had a longer period of time to agglomerate, then using a better filter certainly can tilt the odds in your favor.


Most simply put, if you were to always run 20k miles or longer with your OCIs, then it's very likely that UOA wear metal data could show a disparity in performance between an average filter and a great one. But if you're going to OCI every 10k miles or less, it's unlikely you'd be able to statistically distinguish any difference. In short to moderate OCIs, you are flushing out the contamination, rather than filtering it out.
 
ICP(Inductively Coupled Plasma) spectrometry is designed to measure elements in solution, not particles in suspension. Droplets larger than about 4.5 microns destabilize the plasma. The proper operation of the instrument depends on the spray chamber removing "particles" larger than the 4.5-5 micron target range. The finer the droplets the nebulizer produces and the higher the efficiency of the spray chamber system at removing the larger droplets, the better the detection limit and relative standard deviation of the instrument. Manufacturers go to great lengths to send those 4.5+ micron drops down the drain tube instead of into the plasma.

The size of the particle is it's aerodynamic diameter, which is affected by density and shape. The 4.5 micron size is based on spherical water droplets. Due to the density of metallic wear particles, the largest that should get passed to the plasma is 1-3 microns, depending on the specific metal.

Most ICP operators don't have a clue has to how the instrument works or what they are actually measuring. Some of Blackstone's comments are a prime example of this. The older technology DCP(Direct Current Plasma) spectrometry that was commonly used for oil analysis before ICP was common had a more robust plasma and was more tolerant of larger particles. Their sample induction systems would pass particles in the 10 micron range. I'm guessing that there was some small carryover of particles in the 20 micron range. This may be where the idea that current oil analysis sees 10-20 micron particles comes from.

Ed
Thank you for your valuable input on this topic.
 
A lot of awesome information in this thread!

So based on the information in this thread - contaminants in the 20+ micron range have a lesser impact on the wear rate (due to Toyota OEM filters being around 50 percent at 20 microns or whatever vs 99 percent in the competition) but the UOAs still look good. But that doesn't mean we should chuck our filters out for full flow ones as it does something.

Accumulation of smaller (5-15 micron) particles has a more significant impact on wear rates, and traditional oil filters don't filter these out and that's why shorter OCIs show better numbers - and that's also why bypass filtration systems have insanely high OCIs (100k miles or so?). I'm assuming the bypass system is also filtering out soot. I wonder why then, that the owner's vehicle with the bypass filter didn't show a difference in UOAs.

And just for arguments sake - the only 'bad' thing of having an effective filter is lower oil flow - might this result in possibly some areas of the engine being starved at very low rpm for example?
 
A lot of awesome information in this thread!

So based on the information in this thread - contaminants in the 20+ micron range have a lesser impact on the wear rate (due to Toyota OEM filters being around 50 percent at 20 microns or whatever vs 99 percent in the competition) but the UOAs still look good. But that doesn't mean we should chuck our filters out for full flow ones as it does something.

Accumulation of smaller (5-15 micron) particles has a more significant impact on wear rates, and traditional oil filters don't filter these out and that's why shorter OCIs show better numbers - and that's also why bypass filtration systems have insanely high OCIs (100k miles or so?). I'm assuming the bypass system is also filtering out soot. I wonder why then, that the owner's vehicle with the bypass filter didn't show a difference in UOAs.

And just for arguments sake - the only 'bad' thing of having an effective filter is lower oil flow - might this result in possibly some areas of the engine being starved at very low rpm for example?
Where are you seeing “effective” filters with flow problems? Starved engines? I don’t understand. Do you know how oiling systems work?
 
I'm not saying it's a problem, just that higher filtration filters tend to have more restriction to flow. This is the publication that found that Toyota OEM filters have low filtration but higher flow:

More flow is better generally, and I don't know much about oiling systems which is why I was asking about it.
 
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