drove a Tesla Model 3 AWD Dual Motor

It's funny how every initial complaint I had about the dash, the reliance on the single center screen, the low entry height, etc, all of that instantly became no problem once I felt that instant accelerator pedal drug boosted into my testosterone delivery system.
There are aftermarket solutions for the dash to get normal line of sight instrumentation, I would probably get one of those if/when I get a Tesla.

As for the low entry height, what small sedan doesn't have low entry height?
 
I almost always kid in these threads for those exact reasons

I do agree with new idiots in Ferraris and Corvettes. Floor it the first day.

Crash.
One advantage of EVs is that most of them that are gonzo fast are AWD. It's not going to swap ends as easily as something that is RWD.

That's not a 100% guarantee of course as the laws of physics are immutable.
 
One advantage of EVs is that most of them that are gonzo fast are AWD. It's not going to swap ends as easily as something that is RWD.

That's not a 100% guarantee of course as the laws of physics are immutable.
EV traction control is on another level compared to ICE. I can floor my RWD Blazer EV in the rain and it just goes. I can feel it cycling power to match grip, but there no sense of pause in the acceleration like with ICE...it just accelerates more slowly. If I try that in my Expedition, it immediately pulls power as soon as slip is detected and you go nowhere.

Even in my FWD Niro EV I can out accelerate most ICE vehicles in the wet due to superior traction control. There's more torque steer to be sure, but the vehicle still accelerates very briskly when the road is wet. You can have to experience it to understand. It's nothing like driving ICE. It's more likely driving a slightly slower electric car in dry conditions. Only suggestion I have is to try a test drive when it's wet out and you'll see what I mean.
 
As a new Tesla owner, something to know is what to do if the 12 Volt battery dies. How do you open the frunk to access a dead battery when opening the frunk requires a live battery?

The method shown here works. I keep a tiny 12 Volt battery in the space he mentions. I bought a pack of 4 batteries and gave 3 of them to friends and relatives with Teslas.

 
Do you really expect a 2019 Model 3 with over 100K to last another 8-10 years?
There's a good chance it will. The answer largely depends on the health of the main battery. See my post #12.

You'll probably have some repairs along the way of course (upper control arms are reportedly a weak area - with good aftermarket replacements).
 
As a new Tesla owner, something to know is what to do if the 12 Volt battery dies. How do you open the frunk to access a dead battery when opening the frunk requires a live battery?

The method shown here works. I keep a tiny 12 Volt battery in the space he mentions. I bought a pack of 4 batteries and gave 3 of them to friends and relatives with Teslas.


If you're concerned about a dead 12V, stick a bluetooth monitor on it. I use them on my vehicles and generator.
 
There's a good chance it will. The answer largely depends on the health of the main battery. See my post #12.

You'll probably have some repairs along the way of course (upper control arms are reportedly a weak area - with good aftermarket replacements).
I am very skeptical. Hybrid batteries struggle to last much longer than 15 years on most brands. Tesla battery reliability record on the older Model S was not great and the newest ones aren’t exactly stellar, either.
 
I am very skeptical. Hybrid batteries struggle to last much longer than 15 years on most brands. Tesla battery reliability record on the older Model S was not great and the newest ones aren’t exactly stellar, either.
It's a bit different. Hybrid batteries see a lot of cycles because they're smaller and get fully cycled daily. A Model 3 battery is 80 kWh and a fraction of that is probably used on a daily basis. As a result, damage from contraction and expansion cycles is reduced. I'm doing 25,000 annually and most of my trips use less than 1/3 of my battery capacity.

In addition, longetivity depends in part on the use case. Even if the battery has lost 20 percent or more of its capacity, it can still function properly if the daily use case isn't driving 200+ miles. My first EV only had 100 miles of range and it still handled 90% of our driving. There were occasions when we needed to charge away from home, but that was really only 2 to 4 times when we had weekend softball tournaments more than 40 miles away.
 
As a new Tesla owner, something to know is what to do if the 12 Volt battery dies. How do you open the frunk to access a dead battery when opening the frunk requires a live battery?

The method shown here works. I keep a tiny 12 Volt battery in the space he mentions. I bought a pack of 4 batteries and gave 3 of them to friends and relatives with Teslas.


The 12v battery in our '18 Mid Range started to go at about 5 years. The tablet warns you waaaay ahead of time. If I may put this politely, one would have to be an idiot to let the 12v battery die enough to get you stuck.

Oh yeah, a Tesla mobile tech came to our house and installed the small 51R (think Honda) battery. He inspected the car as well. $110 all in. All I had to do was click-click-click on the cell app to schedule the appointment.
 
The early Model S batteries did not last; that was then. Many cars are getting up there in years and mileage. When is the last time you heard of a Tesla battery failure? Within warranty period, the failure rate is less than 0.1%. Basically zero. Usable life is thought to be easily 300K.
 
The 12v battery in our '18 Mid Range started to go at about 5 years. The tablet warns you waaaay ahead of time. If I may put this politely, one would have to be an idiot to let the 12v battery die enough to get you stuck.

Oh yeah, a Tesla mobile tech came to our house and installed the small 51R (think Honda) battery. He inspected the car as well. $110 all in. All I had to do was click-click-click on the cell app to schedule the appointment.
It's a good thing there is a warning. My experience with 12 Volt car batteries is that they work well until they don't.

For example, one of my batteries started the car (a Volvo) without protest on a cold morning and after a short drive and then sitting for a half hour or so couldn't even manage a click.
 
It's a good thing there is a warning. My experience with 12 Volt car batteries is that they work well until they don't.

For example, one of my batteries started the car (a Volvo) without protest on a cold morning and after a short drive and then sitting for a half hour or so couldn't even manage a click.
As I recall, this is the warning message I got. Not sure about the "Software" part. I understand some people ignore warnings, horribly extend oil changes, etc. I think the messages get more severe as time goes by.
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It's a bit different. Hybrid batteries see a lot of cycles because they're smaller and get fully cycled daily. A Model 3 battery is 80 kWh and a fraction of that is probably used on a daily basis. As a result, damage from contraction and expansion cycles is reduced. I'm doing 25,000 annually and most of my trips use less than 1/3 of my battery capacity.

In addition, longetivity depends in part on the use case. Even if the battery has lost 20 percent or more of its capacity, it can still function properly if the daily use case isn't driving 200+ miles. My first EV only had 100 miles of range and it still handled 90% of our driving. There were occasions when we needed to charge away from home, but that was really only 2 to 4 times when we had weekend softball tournaments more than 40 miles away.
Not true. Toyota hybrid batteries actually maintain a SOC in the 40-80% range. The 8 bars on the dash represent battery usage within that range.

Most of the Toyota hybrid batteries fail due to age, not usage. That is why you constantly see examples of 500k old hybrids in 4 year old Uber/taxi applications in good shape, but 15 yr old/100k cars with failed batteries. I haven’t read anything to suggest that EV batteries will fare any differently.
 
Not true. Toyota hybrid batteries actually maintain a SOC in the 40-80% range. The 8 bars on the dash represent battery usage within that range.
What does that have to do with frequency of being cycled? If a person has the average US daily mileage of 40 miles, which battery is seeing more cycles? The hybrid battery, or the full EV battery?

All EV batteries are susceptible to both calendar aging and cycling degradation. But guess which one will kill a battery faster.
 
The early Model S batteries did not last; that was then. Many cars are getting up there in years and mileage. When is the last time you heard of a Tesla battery failure? Within warranty period, the failure rate is less than 0.1%. Basically zero. Usable life is thought to be easily 300K.
Been seeing posts all over Reddit and the various Facebook groups. The failures are definitely occurring.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ModelY/s/hPzSe1JJph

There have also been some inherent degradation issues with the NCA packs:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ModelY/s/zZXu7kjRBr
 
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