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Originally Posted By: Mystic
It is kind of obvious that we have very sloppy security-on the part of IT people, programmers, computer hardware and software people, everybody.


Ouch. Low blow. That one hurts me a little.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
What part of "cloud" (whether it be Google, Apple, Microsoft, Photobucket, Facebook, etc.) don't people understand? When your data is on anything other than a powered-down drive sitting in a locked compartment, there is the potential for it to be compromised.

Yes, I do use a little bit of cloud storage. No, I don't use it for anything I wouldn't mind my wife, pastor, and every criminal in the world seeing. Come on- blackmail me with pictures of cut-open oil filters. I dare ya. :p



+1. Using this to blame Apple is as silly as it gets. I will wager that even if normalized to the number of units sold, the amountof data taken from Apple systems is far less than from MS given their propensity to virii, trojans, etc.

You cant stop malicious people and you cant fix stupid either...


Im glad there are others with brains that can agree with what I have been saying this whole time! Unfortunately the general population lacks sensibility and brains.
 
Sorry, I was not intending a low blow.

I own a Windows computer and an Apple iMac. I am concerned about Apple security also. I visit a lot of security websites and I highly recommend Threatpost, The Safe Mac, Krebs on Security, etc.

Security issues are possible on a Mac. The Flashback Trojan affected one out of every one hundred Macs running Mac OS X in the world. Some 600,000 computers. It is still true that there is very little malware affecting Macs. I think that would change if Macs become more common place.

More likely targets are Android devices and iPhones. There are already security concerns about Android stuff and there are interesting articles online about iPhone security.
 
Originally Posted By: javacontour
The question is did they really secure their files? IIRC, there are multiple security options/levels to most cloud security.

IIRC (I don't do Apple, oilBabe does) you can pick and choose what and how much is synced to the cloud. You can choose if new devices/browsers are challenged in multiple ways before they are given access to the cloud storage.

If you don't examine and/or understand all the security settings, and get hacked because you had things set for convenience and not security, then you have in fact left your keys in the proverbial car.

Ignorance is no defense or excuse for getting hacked.

I'm not saying those hacking are in the right. I'm suggesting it's not wise to put things in the cloud without understanding what you are doing.



Exactly this.

Why I still find this all so funny....
 
It always seemed to me that Apple didn't really take security all that seriously.

They provide cloud services which can allow people access to their data (icloud backups) photos (photo stream) and actual location (find my iphone) in one convenient place.

All of this information was "secured" without any mechanism to mitigate brute-force attempts of password retrieval. They don't even have an account lockout mechanism, which is pretty much minimum level stuff. With all of the data on people's phones and possibly PCs if they're REALLY invested in cloud backups on the line it's seriously crazy to have such a relaxed stance on security.

Apple need to have account lockout (or at least a cooldown period!) and a two step login process along with enforcing a minimum password complexity. They warehouse too much information not to do so.
 
Originally Posted By: Mystic
There have been so many security issues recently, ranging from Target Stores to iPhones to Home Depot to banks, on and on and on, that we need a serious discussion on security.

A decent bank and certainly a major bank is going to have encryption. And major banks have been broken into by hackers and I am not just talking about weak passwords on the part of one customer.

We certainly need to use the credit card technology they already have in Europe.

Anybody who thinks this is just a weak password issue or thinks this is just a Windows or just a Linux or just an Apple problem is just plain wrong.

'Heartbleed' is STILL being used to break into Linux servers that have not had proper security upgrades. There are serious questions that have been raised about iPhone security and some 600 million people I think could be affected. There was an undiscovered hole in IE for something like 13 years.

It is kind of obvious that we have very sloppy security-on the part of IT people, programmers, computer hardware and software people, everybody.

The one thing ordinary people can do is have very good passwords but all of this is not just a password issue.

It's a constant battle between the exploiters and exploit mitigation.

The people doing the exploiting will always be a step ahead. There's just no way around it. All they need is the desire and time. And many have a nearly unlimited amount of both.

The security community will always be playing catch-up just because there are so many different pieces interacting and one simple flaw in a single piece can compromise the entire network. Their time and motivation and resources are limited. The attackers are not.

It may realistically cost less money to patch security breaches after they happen than it does to be insanely proactive about finding and fixing them.
 
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Sorry, I was not intending a low blow.

I own a Windows computer and an Apple iMac. I am concerned about Apple security also. I visit a lot of security websites and I highly recommend Threatpost, The Safe Mac, Krebs on Security, etc.

Security issues are possible on a Mac. The Flashback Trojan affected one out of every one hundred Macs running Mac OS X in the world. Some 600,000 computers. It is still true that there is very little malware affecting Macs. I think that would change if Macs become more common place.

More likely targets are Android devices and iPhones. There are already security concerns about Android stuff and there are interesting articles online about iPhone security.



Funny you mention this. It's because of the lessened likelihood of acquiring a virus which led me to buy an iPhone.
Then I got an iPod,which was very easily tethered and sync'd to each other,and very simple to do as well,which for a guy like me who isn't really computer literate,and since the simplicity was noted and loved its why I've bought IPads too.
I didn't even have an email addy until I bought my first iPhone. It was the 3. I rarely/never surfed the net. I checked in on fb periodically but that was the extent of my Internet experience.
Because my iPhone required me to have an email addy I of course got one,and the rest is pretty much history.
Steve Jobs really did fulfil his dream of making technology accessible to any and everyone.
If not for my first iPhone I'd likely still be using a flip phone.
I think back on that awakening for me,the Internet,accessible,for a guy like me who really never imagined I'd have any interest on what the net has available.
Hindsight eh.

Anyways back to security my friends and family were always having to pay for virus protection or else they were taking them in to get wiped.
Even the android phones I'm seeing some guys,who won't admit it but I'm sure its porn,having to take them in for whatever they have to do to eliminate the issues.
I've never had a virus or any issue whatsoever with any of my apple products,and because of their ability to tie into each other all the apps I use and contacts,pics,data and whatever else can be accessed from any of my devices,anytime.
I certainly understand why that could pose a problem though.
I don't keep any banking or credit card info on my devices,nor do I bank online,nor is anything but my name and address in my devices themselves. I've got my bank stuff memorized,so that's a non issue as well as my identity details,like health card number,drivers licence number and of course social insurance as well as my birth certificate numbers,all in my head.
Glad my heads not part of the cloud though.
 
Originally Posted By: lugNutz
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: Mystic
I do wonder how anybody would actually store photos of themselves that can be used against them online. Their husbands/boyfriends/whatever are going to see them naked, so why do they need to document it by taking photos with their iPhones and storing those photos online? And they probably have weak passwords.

None of your business or anyone else's. That's the point.

Correct, that IS the point -- Not disagreeing with you there.

I wish this were the case. Unfortunately, you do disagree with me quite directly here:

Originally Posted By: lugNutz
they shouldn't whine about it when someone steals it

Whether you intended it or not, this statement implies quite directly that because the victims failed to take adequate precautions, their business is no longer their own.

I wonder where else this "shouldn't whine about it" logic might apply. A few years ago, my mother and her friend were robbed at gunpoint in a bad part of town. Should they have declined to call the cops? I mean, they should have known better than to be there with their purses and wallets, right? What if I park my flashy car on the street on game day, and a pack of rabid drunken sports fans vandalize my car? Should I decline to call the cops or notify my insurance? My fault for not parking it in a garage, right? And if I forget to enable my security system one day and my house gets broken into, same deal, right? Should have taken better precautions.

Of course not. Regardless of what precautions should have been taken, what's mine is mine, stealing it is a crime, and distributing it to the whole world is a much bigger crime. Full stop.

Yet here, when it comes to a few tech-ignorant celebrities -- all women, of course -- you (and so many others in this thread) are perfectly willing to say that their ignorance constitutes a forfeiture of their rights to privacy. That's outrageous. And if part of you agrees that someone's private life is none of anyone else's business, that part of you should be outraged as well.
 
I'm not sure what it is with these iPhones and related Apple devices. I'm not trying to really bash Apple here, since I don't know enough about the devices. However, my goddaughter has had problems deleting things off the "cloud" too over the past few years. Her pictures wound up on her dad's phone and vice versa, and things that were supposed to be deleted from the cloud mysteriously reappeared.

Personally, I have no problem with using an online backup service. However, I simply encrypt anything that goes there.
 
I'm sorry you fail to understand.

As I told my teen daughter last night, if you don't take nude photos of yourself, no one can get non-existant photos.

If you don't learn how the apps you use work, you can't blame others when your information is stolen.

It would be great to live in a world where we didn't need to worry about hackers. Since that world doesn't exist, it's incumbent upon users of technology to understand what it is they are using and the associated risks.

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Bringing up more examples is not the same thing as explaining your reasoning.

Also, doubling down on your "ignorance is no excuse" line is... shall we say, a bit striking given your claim that no one is blaming the victim.

Do we get an explanation or not?
 
But it's true. I service many different accounts and it's scary how many have default and/or weak passwords protecting gear.

After hearing about how the NSA and/or CIA accesses the computers of Senators, why would anyone with half a brain think that information stored in the cloud is secure?

Again, as I've said before, it's not right to hack. What I'm saying is to expect that your information is secure in this environment is an unrealistic expectation.

Originally Posted By: lugNutz
Originally Posted By: Mystic
It is kind of obvious that we have very sloppy security-on the part of IT people, programmers, computer hardware and software people, everybody.


Ouch. Low blow. That one hurts me a little.
 
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
I do enjoy the antics of these so-called Hollywood celebrities, (celebritards) who are stupid and naive enough to leave naked pictures of themselves in the cloud, somehow thinking that there's no way any of it could ever go wrong.

And then, when it does go wrong, they use their "celebrity" status to demand that the FBI look into the issue.

Is there any satisfying the ego of these brainless brats like Jennifer Laurence and her ilk?

It is no wonder that I refuse to go see movies anymore. They'd need to pay ME to show up at a movie theater.



This is why I have never used the "Cloud" myself. Not the naked photo part( that is so stupid it is beyond words )but just in general. I don't want my personal info I am trying to keep safe somewhere I have no control over it. Anyone who thinks( or thought )their info was safe using the "Cloud" is a moron.
 
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Originally Posted By: javacontour
I'm sorry you fail to understand.

I'm not. Doublespeak (e.g. "no one is blaming the victim" followed by everything else you posted) is impossible to make sense of, by definition.

The only thing I see to be sorry about is your continued insistence -- including to your own daughter, apparently -- that no one but the victim is responsible for certain extremely invasive crimes. You talk like you have no idea how brutally corrosive that idea is, especially in many contexts related to women. I hope with every fiber in my being that this isn't how you really think and act outside of this forum.
 
You still fail to understand, and then try to blame me.

The world is a mean place, full stop. Folks are out there who try to take advantage of you.

I'm raising my daughters, and son, to be smart with respect to the reality of the world.

One daughter is a black-belt in karate. The younger one just did a triathlon with me. What I'm saying is I'm teaching them to be strong, wise, and confident. Not seeking attention in unhealthy ways.

They are not defined by things such as nude selfies stored in the cloud. But they do know the world is a treacherous place. They are learning/have learned that they should understand what they are doing, and think long term about the potential consequences, good or bad, that may result from their actions.

You can act all indignant and offended that someone hacked a groups of celebrities and others. I wish the world were not that way. I'm teaching my children to avoid becoming a victim by making wise choices. Will things happen to them? Of course. Will they be defeated by such things? With proper training, I certainly hope not.

Think what you may. If you are still unable to understand, then the problem is entirely with you. I really don't care if you are unwilling or unable to understand.

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: javacontour
I'm sorry you fail to understand.

I'm not. Doublespeak (e.g. "no one is blaming the victim" followed by everything else you posted) is impossible to make sense of, by definition.

The only thing I see to be sorry about is your continued insistence -- including to your own daughter, apparently -- that no one but the victim is responsible for certain extremely invasive crimes. You talk like you have no idea how brutally corrosive that idea is, especially in many contexts related to women. I hope with every fiber in my being that this isn't how you really think and act outside of this forum.
 
I agree with this. We are not trying to blame the victims, but the victims should have common sense in order to not become victims. And not only common sense but personal responsibility for what you personally put out on the internet. It is common sense that if you don't want for naked photos of yourself to get out on the internet, than don't upload such photos to the iCloud or some other online storage resource. That is not blaming the victims-that is common sense. I guess some people cannot understand that concept.

Apple apparently spent all of 40 hours investigating all of this. What is being said now is that brute force password hacking was used to crack passwords. I think it was twenty years ago that people came up with the idea of preventing brute force attacks on passwords by limiting how many attempts to enter a password could be made before the account was locked out. That concept seems to work pretty well. Maybe Apple has caught up to the concept.

And then we come back to the concepts of personal responsibility and common sense. You don't want your accounts hacked into-use good passwords and different passwords for each account. Then you are doing your job. After that it is up to Apple or Microsoft or whoever your account is with to understand simple concepts like locking out an account after so many attempts have been made to enter a password.

I am totally against blaming the victims of a crime. But I am also totally for the use of common sense, which fewer and fewer people seem to possess today. And I am totally for personal responsibility.
 
Originally Posted By: Mystic
I am totally against blaming the victims of a crime. But I am also totally for the use of common sense, which fewer and fewer people seem to possess today. And I am totally for personal responsibility.

Agreed. Common sense is necessary. If I intentionally store a briefcase with $1 million cash on my front step and someone takes it, it's theft. But, I bet I'll be called "stupid" at least once, and justifiably so.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Mystic
I am totally against blaming the victims of a crime. But I am also totally for the use of common sense, which fewer and fewer people seem to possess today. And I am totally for personal responsibility.

Agreed. Common sense is necessary. If I intentionally store a briefcase with $1 million cash on my front step and someone takes it, it's theft. But, I bet I'll be called "stupid" at least once, and justifiably so.

If this really is where everyone stands, then good. The analogy doesn't quite work here and the wording could be better, but the sentiment makes sense.

I just hope it's clear how different this is from saying the victims "shouldn't whine about it."
 
Actually, I think it's a apt analogy. You may store the briefcase on your steps. It may even be locked. But the simple key or three digit combination common to most briefcases isn't sufficient security to secure a million dollars.

Anyone who doesn't know this, be it storing data on the cloud or storing a large sum of cash in your briefcase isn't paying attention to the world around them.
 
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Actually, I think it's a apt analogy. You may store the briefcase on your steps. It may even be locked. But the simple key or three digit combination common to most briefcases isn't sufficient security to secure a million dollars.

Anyone who doesn't know this, be it storing data on the cloud or storing a large sum of cash in your briefcase isn't paying attention to the world around them.


Exactly, I think Apple still has some fault for their apparent lax security standards but it mostly lies with the people themselves.

I am still at a loss with the whole nude picture think be it a popular person or not. I have heard of extended friends storing potentially damaging photos in a locked album on their facebook. WHY?!?!?!?!?

It must be a narcissistic thing I will never understand.
 
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