Don't drink the water!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted By: oilpsi2high
I like my well water.

The issue with city water is that people think it's OK because the city tests it. That's true - at their plant. It can still get plenty contaminated on the way into your house.

If I had city water I'd still do yearly testing to ensure quality.


The big city I'm familiar with, and I'm sure since there are Federal requirements that this is fairly uniform, has test points scattered around the system.
 
I cannot drink most city water. After drinking well water most of my life, the overpowering chlorine taste actually triggers my gag reflex.
 
Originally Posted By: spackard
Looks like your house/apt. could just flush the lines for about a minute before using the water as drinking water.
No need to go full tilt bottled water on things.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/getting-the-lead-out-27-12-2005/

This is generic advice for anyone living in a house with copper pipes that are Pb-Sn soldered. It won't help the folk in Flint served by lead pipe infrastructure.

I remember reading an old Consumers Report article on lead in water. It stated that Chicago tap water is (was?) notoriously contaminated by lead from their infrastructure.
 
The thing is that the cheapest, basic screw on tap water filters will remove almost 100% of that lead contamination in the water, I don't see how this is a disaster at all. The water is safe to drink when using these basic filters.
 
It depends on where the lead pipe is located, here in Milwaukee all the mains are cast iron or something other than lead, only the lateral from the street to the house is lead. In our case it did help to let the water run but you had to let it run a while. It was really only necessary the first thing in the morning or whenever there was a long retention time.

Originally Posted By: Kestas
This is generic advice for anyone living in a house with copper pipes that are Pb-Sn soldered. It won't help the folk in Flint served by lead pipe infrastructure.

I remember reading an old Consumers Report article on lead in water. It stated that Chicago tap water is (was?) notoriously contaminated by lead from their infrastructure.
 
Originally Posted By: kschachn
It depends on where the lead pipe is located, here in Milwaukee all the mains are cast iron or something other than lead, only the lateral from the street to the house is lead. In our case it did help to let the water run but you had to let it run a while. It was really only necessary the first thing in the morning or whenever there was a long retention time.


You'll find a LOAD of asbestos cement water mains have been installed in the US...that's a dirty little secrete that they don't let out nearly anywhere.

pH control is critical, of fibres get released as the cement bonding fails.

It's been identified that we now have thallium in the water, since we are drinking mine water these days...Council have advised that they don't test for Thallium, as it's not in any drinking water standard...derrr...it's not supposed to be there full stop.
 
Originally Posted By: javacontour
I guess I'm trying to decide why a city water issue would fall on the governor?

Why not take the blame all the way to the top, to the president?

After all, if it's good to blame the governor for a local government failure, it's probably better to blame the president, right?

Either course of action makes about as much sense.

Why not hold the leadership in Flint responsible for their water?


Flint has been under the direction of an "emergency manager" who is appointed by the governor. He isn't elected by the people of Flint, nor is he appointed by Flint local government. He is hand selected by the governor and placed into this position (there have been a couple different EMs who have been involved the Flint water situation).

On more than one occasion, the EM overrode the wishes of the Flint City Council (who are elected) to stop obtaining water from the Flint River or reconnect to Detroit water. In one instance, the city council voted 7-1 to outright reconnect to Detroit. The EM decided otherwise, a power given to him by... the governor.

Flint's decision to move away from Detroit water was initially supported by the EM at the time and at every juncture and failure, the EM has maintained that they should stay the course and water drawn from the Flint River is a high quality and safe water (even when it obviously wasn't).

That's why the governor should be held accountable.

Were there more failures than just the head-in-the-sand mentality and actions of the EM? Absolutely, but you wanted to know why a city water issue would fall on the governor? The EM is only beholden to the governor, not local government in Flint (or the president, since you brought it up).
 
The facts are the previous Governor (a democrat) and his EM both new of this issue. Supposedly their are emails between him and the EPA yet to be revealed.

One thing is for certain, if the Governor is somehow responsible then what happened to the EPA? Besides causing huge environmental disasters did they forget they are supposed to protect the people? Allegedly they were informed last April!!

Don't be a sheep and fall for the media agenda here...
 
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
The facts are the previous Governor (a democrat) and his EM both new of this issue. Supposedly their are emails between him and the EPA yet to be revealed.

One thing is for certain, if the Governor is somehow responsible then what happened to the EPA? Besides causing huge environmental disasters did they forget they are supposed to protect the people? Allegedly they were informed last April!!

Don't be a sheep and fall for the media agenda here...


The previous governor was a she, not a he. If you're going to spout garbage, at least pretend to know some details. If you actually lived here, maybe you'd know who the previous governor was. If you're getting details from the media (and the agenda you claim to disdain), that might be a detail you missed.

Your post is complete and utter bunk, devoid of any "facts". Try again.
 
I'm still asking why a governor is responsible for a LOCAL issue? Water is the purview of the municipal government.

Why were they not doing their job?
 
Originally Posted By: MrHorspwer
Originally Posted By: javacontour
I guess I'm trying to decide why a city water issue would fall on the governor?

Why not take the blame all the way to the top, to the president?

After all, if it's good to blame the governor for a local government failure, it's probably better to blame the president, right?

Either course of action makes about as much sense.

Why not hold the leadership in Flint responsible for their water?


Flint has been under the direction of an "emergency manager" who is appointed by the governor. He isn't elected by the people of Flint, nor is he appointed by Flint local government. He is hand selected by the governor and placed into this position (there have been a couple different EMs who have been involved the Flint water situation).

On more than one occasion, the EM overrode the wishes of the Flint City Council (who are elected) to stop obtaining water from the Flint River or reconnect to Detroit water. In one instance, the city council voted 7-1 to outright reconnect to Detroit. The EM decided otherwise, a power given to him by... the governor.

Flint's decision to move away from Detroit water was initially supported by the EM at the time and at every juncture and failure, the EM has maintained that they should stay the course and water drawn from the Flint River is a high quality and safe water (even when it obviously wasn't).

That's why the governor should be held accountable.

Were there more failures than just the head-in-the-sand mentality and actions of the EM? Absolutely, but you wanted to know why a city water issue would fall on the governor? The EM is only beholden to the governor, not local government in Flint (or the president, since you brought it up).


What you're saying here flies in the face of what I posted previously. The water coming out of the Flint river doesn't contain Lead. The problem is, it has a low pH, which makes it pick up the Lead traveling through the underground pipes. The problem does not exist for all of Flint, it is only in some neighborhoods where Lead pipes are used.
 
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Originally Posted By: javacontour
I'm still asking why a governor is responsible for a LOCAL issue? Water is the purview of the municipal government.


Because the governor is a republican.
 
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: MrHorspwer
Originally Posted By: javacontour
I guess I'm trying to decide why a city water issue would fall on the governor?

Why not take the blame all the way to the top, to the president?

After all, if it's good to blame the governor for a local government failure, it's probably better to blame the president, right?

Either course of action makes about as much sense.

Why not hold the leadership in Flint responsible for their water?


Flint has been under the direction of an "emergency manager" who is appointed by the governor. He isn't elected by the people of Flint, nor is he appointed by Flint local government. He is hand selected by the governor and placed into this position (there have been a couple different EMs who have been involved the Flint water situation).

On more than one occasion, the EM overrode the wishes of the Flint City Council (who are elected) to stop obtaining water from the Flint River or reconnect to Detroit water. In one instance, the city council voted 7-1 to outright reconnect to Detroit. The EM decided otherwise, a power given to him by... the governor.

Flint's decision to move away from Detroit water was initially supported by the EM at the time and at every juncture and failure, the EM has maintained that they should stay the course and water drawn from the Flint River is a high quality and safe water (even when it obviously wasn't).

That's why the governor should be held accountable.

Were there more failures than just the head-in-the-sand mentality and actions of the EM? Absolutely, but you wanted to know why a city water issue would fall on the governor? The EM is only beholden to the governor, not local government in Flint (or the president, since you brought it up).


What you're saying here flies in the face of what I posted previously. The water coming out of the Flint river doesn't contain Lead. The problem is, it has a low pH, which makes it pick up the Lead traveling through the underground pipes. The problem does not exist for all of Flint, it is only in some neighborhoods where Lead pipes are used.


First and foremost, lead was never an issue *for anybody* in Flint when water was coming from Detroit. Part of the responsibility of Flint's water authority is keeping the pH in check. If they didn't know that was important, they do now. Flint has also payed a consulting firm (Veolia North America) millions during this process. Firms that are supposed to be experts on this type of thing. That's what they're being paid for. Nobody foresaw this? Again, Detroit water didn't have this issue. Also, Detroit has an old infrastructure that used similar construction methods with no lead issues.

Beyond the lead, Flint water has had issues with fecal coliform (no less than four separate boil water advisories) and ultra-high TTHM levels (one quarter was so high, even if they had none for the rest of the year, the numbers would still be above maximum yearly average) since they began pulling water from the Flint River. Lead is just the latest in a long line of issues with this project.
 
Originally Posted By: javacontour
I guess I'm trying to decide why a city water issue would fall on the governor?

After all, if it's good to blame the governor for a local government failure, it's probably better to blame the president, right?

Either course of action makes about as much sense.

Why not hold the leadership in Flint responsible for their water?


The state took control of the water supply from the City of Flint as they could not afford the water bill to Detroit supply. The state intervened (governor administration) and offered Detroit river water as alternative. Unfortunately the corrosive nature was not treated well enough and state allowed treatment plan to go through. The calls to state (water) agency under governer admin and governor ignored acknowledgement of issue of corrosive water eating peoples lead pipes and poisoning population.

GM's plant in Flint would not use it either as it was too corrosive for their own auto plant!

Blame goes to state agency and of course the lead there governor for ignoring the issue and sticking to this cost cutting measure. The issue I guess can be painted as rich republican governor not caring about black poor city and issues. But reality it was a fail of agencies and I think party blaming does not do much here except direct attention at an issue.
 
Originally Posted By: javacontour
I'm still asking why a governor is responsible for a LOCAL issue? Water is the purview of the municipal government.

Why were they not doing their job?


Don't read much, do you?

Flint is under the control of an emergency manager who is appointed by and reports directly to the governor. On multiple occasions, the emergency manage has overrode local government on the water issue.

If you can't make the association between the decisions made individual who was appointed by the governor as being part of the governors purview, not the purview of local government, I can't help you.
 
Our government has no money to provide quality water to Flint.

But has billions of dollars every year spent on puppet governments overseas.... ?
 
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