does this oil have friction modifiers

[Gunnar#1]

I got a good deal on this oil and I want to run it in my motorcycles, most of which spec a 40W however friction modifiers are supposed to be no good for motorcycle clutches so I want to find out if these oils have them. I tried getting in touch with Pennzoil but didnt hear back. Any advice?

 

[facility1]

i would run motorcycle specified Jaso MA ....approved engine oil ,especially with a wet clutch & gears, of the proper grade,Belray or Amsoil etc. for example makes good oil for bikes, use the oil you have for your car as its forumulated better for this task.

 

[Gunnar#1]

i would run motorcycle specified Jaso MA ....approved engine oil ,especially with a wet clutch & gears, of the proper grade,Belray or Amsoil etc. for example makes good oil for bikes, use the oil you have for your car as its forumulated better for this task.

well yea I know that but I got this oil real cheap and I am trying to figure out whether or not it has friction modifiers. How do I do that?

 

[Chris142]

well yea I know that but I got this oil real cheap and I am trying to figure out whether or not it has friction modifiers. How do I do that?

I don't know. But I have been riding since 1977. Used all kinds of "Car" oils and never had a clutch problem.

 

[facility1]

well yea I know that but I got this oil real cheap and I am trying to figure out whether or not it has friction modifiers. How do I do that?

i think its moly content,you would may send in a sample to a lab on how much is in there,, gas car oils have more moly in it as diesel oil has less moly ,which as some road bike riders use 15w-40 diesel oil,, what kind of bike do you have,road,dirt?? lots of use on it etc,, really is best to use a good specified oil for this,

 

[facility1]

or just run it and see what happens,and how the clutch feels and shifting goes ?

 

[Jetronic]

I used the old Shell helix ultra 5W-40 (before GTL) in my Suzuki without ill effects

 

[troop]

One thing in its favor is that it is not energy conserving. The API SP rating "I believe" supersedes the prior SN rating. Guess you'll find out...

 

[853okg]

What kind of motorcycle is it?

 

[Overfill]

With few exceptions*, every oil you find, whether its for cars, diesel trucks, or motorcycles, is going to have friction modifiers. That's because blends of the last few decades use multifunctional additives which all modify friction. ZDDPs (Zinc and Phos) can modify friction, and calcium sulfonates (detergents) can modify friction. I wish the old myth would die, but its tough--you aren't looking for an oil that "doesn't have friction modifiers." You are looking for an oil that provides enough friction on conventional clutches to pass as JASO MA 1 or 2. There are other tests (specs) that verify sufficient friction for these cellulose clutches, which are met by most diesel oils, which is why those work, too.

*Generally, really boutique oils have extra friction modifiers ($$), and would be too much for a clutch pack. But you won't find those at Walmart or an auto parts store or you'll definitely know when you do because they're upwards of 15/qt. Think Redline, Amsoil, Royal Purple HPS/XPR, ect.
Those that have NO friction modifiers are detergentless motor oils, which no one should use anyway.

 

[Bonz]

well yea I know that but I got this oil real cheap and I am trying to figure out whether or not it has friction modifiers. How do I do that?

Run it in your car. Not knowing the bike you want to use it in, it's going to shear down in a wet sump. However I wouldn't be concerned since it is not energy conserving, as was said above,

 

[Gunnar#1]

Run it in your car. Not knowing the bike you want to use it in, it's going to shear down in a wet sump. However I wouldn't be concerned since it is not energy conserving, as was said above,

my cars are 20 weights

 

[Gunnar#1]

With few exceptions*, every oil you find, whether its for cars, diesel trucks, or motorcycles, is going to have friction modifiers. That's because blends of the last few decades use multifunctional additives which all modify friction. ZDDPs (Zinc and Phos) can modify friction, and calcium sulfonates (detergents) can modify friction. I wish the old myth would die, but its tough--you aren't looking for an oil that "doesn't have friction modifiers." You are looking for an oil that provides enough friction on conventional clutches to pass as JASO MA 1 or 2. There are other tests (specs) that verify sufficient friction for these cellulose clutches, which are met by most diesel oils, which is why those work, too.

*Generally, really boutique oils have extra friction modifiers ($$), and would be too much for a clutch pack. But you won't find those at Walmart or an auto parts store or you'll definitely know when you do because they're upwards of 15/qt. Think Redline, Amsoil, Royal Purple HPS/XPR, ect.
Those that have NO friction modifiers are detergentless motor oils, which no one should use anyway.

Yea I bought some 20/50 valvoline racing oil on Woot, says right on the bottle "added friction modifiers and high ZDDP, no SAE circle either, maybe it really is racing oil? The only thing I can run it in is dry clutch motorcycles. I have run delisel oil in motorcycles all the time T$ and T6 are now MA2. I was at the Kawasaki dealership and their K brand oil is CK-4 diesel rated.

 

[Gunnar#1]

What kind of motorcycle is it?

Ive got 5 motorcycles and always adding and subtracting, usually older ones, most spec a 10-40.

 

[Gunnar#1]

Run it in your car. Not knowing the bike you want to use it in, it's going to shear down in a wet sump. However I wouldn't be concerned since it is not energy conserving, as was said above,

my Kawasaki KLR's transmission really chews up the oil, the shift quality with a standard T4 oil goes south about 2000 miles, I was on a big trip, 15000 miles, and I ran some motorcycle specific oil and it did hold up better, close to 6000 miles. The guys on the motorcycle page jhave run the tests and mostly the oil is chopped up by the transmission long before its lubrication ability is depleted.

I got this iPone oil in Argentina.

 

[Gunnar#1]

i think its moly content,you would may send in a sample to a lab on how much is in there,, gas car oils have more moly in it as diesel oil has less moly ,which as some road bike riders use 15w-40 diesel oil,, what kind of bike do you have,road,dirt?? lots of use on it etc,, really is best to use a good specified oil for this,

A Company called Kal-Guard used to make motorcycle oil the that so much moly in it it looked like used diesel oil going in

 

[Paco Pena]

I've used Rotella T4 15/40 for decades. My go to budget "motorcycle" oil.

Paco

 

[Gunnar#1]

I've used Rotella T4 15/40 for decades. My go to budget "motorcycle" oil.

Paco

yea and now its MA2, most will say it always was they just finally paid for the tests, T6 as well but oddly not T5

 

[Bonz]

T4 15w-40 always has worked. Hundreds of thousands of riders and millions of miles have been put on that oil. I chuckle that the experience of all those miles and people would still cause question.

I've used T5 15w40 in my ZRX1200, no issues. Middle column in this link is T5 15w40, wasn't rated JASO back then either, far right T6 5w40.

Kawasaki ZRX1200 Various UOA's

Oils are labeled at top of each column, scroll down for UOA's. L to R: Valvoline 10w40 ATV Dino oil Castrol 20w50 4T Dino Rotella T5 15w40 SynBlend Mobil 1 15w50 Syn Delo 400 LE 15w40 Dino Rotella T6 5w40 Syn This ZRX1200 has ZZR1200 cams, higher compression pistons, ZZR Keihin CVK40 carbs...

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