Originally Posted By: 02SE
Keep spinning it..
The ONLY thing that changed is worse coverage, for much more money.
I get the fact that you have some goal of defending the indefensible.
I simply posted my experience, and a few others here have posted a similar experience, too.
"We need to to pass this bill, to find out what's in it.." That gem was said with a straight face too.
So keep making excuses. There are people that know Obamacare is a failure.
Like I said, some people were made winners and other losers. I guess you were one of the losers. I'm not defending it, just trying to explain it. You still haven't provided any numbers. You also have some ax to grind also, but can't really make your point as you provide no detail so it's a worthless opinion. Your opinion about worse coverage isn't based on the facts. You can say whatever you like, but you have no facts to back up your assertions. For instance, I'm not really sure how you quantify worse coverage for much more money. What coverage did you have in your previous plan that doesn't exist now vs the extra benefits that are now mandated? Also what state are you in? Like I said before, premiums in some rural states went up do to lack of competition and higher costs due to the remoteness of hospitals. We don't even know if you have an individual plan or an employer plan, lots of stuff done by employers to shift costs onto employees. And if you have a gold plan vs a bronze plan in the individual markets that can also account for higher premiums. Then you could go on about HSA accounts etc.
But just saying things are worse and cost more money doesn't really add anything to the discussion and your assertion of 4x the cost isn't really believable without any data to back it up. The cost of healthcare has exceeded inflation for years and still hasn't really slowed down that much so it's obvious that it's always going to be more money every year and as you get older the costs also increase so it will always be more expensive over the next 5-10 years until you hit 65.
Keep spinning it..
The ONLY thing that changed is worse coverage, for much more money.
I get the fact that you have some goal of defending the indefensible.
I simply posted my experience, and a few others here have posted a similar experience, too.
"We need to to pass this bill, to find out what's in it.." That gem was said with a straight face too.
So keep making excuses. There are people that know Obamacare is a failure.
Like I said, some people were made winners and other losers. I guess you were one of the losers. I'm not defending it, just trying to explain it. You still haven't provided any numbers. You also have some ax to grind also, but can't really make your point as you provide no detail so it's a worthless opinion. Your opinion about worse coverage isn't based on the facts. You can say whatever you like, but you have no facts to back up your assertions. For instance, I'm not really sure how you quantify worse coverage for much more money. What coverage did you have in your previous plan that doesn't exist now vs the extra benefits that are now mandated? Also what state are you in? Like I said before, premiums in some rural states went up do to lack of competition and higher costs due to the remoteness of hospitals. We don't even know if you have an individual plan or an employer plan, lots of stuff done by employers to shift costs onto employees. And if you have a gold plan vs a bronze plan in the individual markets that can also account for higher premiums. Then you could go on about HSA accounts etc.
But just saying things are worse and cost more money doesn't really add anything to the discussion and your assertion of 4x the cost isn't really believable without any data to back it up. The cost of healthcare has exceeded inflation for years and still hasn't really slowed down that much so it's obvious that it's always going to be more money every year and as you get older the costs also increase so it will always be more expensive over the next 5-10 years until you hit 65.
