http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3344811/Re-China-world-s-iconic-landmarks-Big-Ben-Eif
At least they're saving a lot of R&D dollars.
At least they're saving a lot of R&D dollars.
Does China copy everything?
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Intellectual property rights really do mean next to nothing in China...I mean, they do have to be careful about things they want to sell here, but they will rip off anything and everything for their domestic market. I think it's a combination of cultural differences and a feeling that they need to catch up after years of Maoist rejection of technology, but there is really not much shame there in finding out what the other guys do well and using it against them.
I guess there is nothing they wont copy.
https://www.thoughtco.com/francis-cabot-lowell-the-textile-revolution-1991932
At a point in US history we stole British intellectual property...
At a point in US history we stole British intellectual property...
Thats funny how they cloned xp.
Yes, it has happened all through history. China being a closed society, and discovering/inventing very little, makes it kinda different. Japan will take intellectual property as well, and refine and innovate it, and many times will end up improving it.
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I did a lot of work related to powder metal technology, helping develop it for powertrain applications. Much of the proprietary information was later sold to the Chinese. It's more than insulting to have the hard work of myself and my colleagues sold to the Chinese for pennies on the dollar. The people involved are now in jail.
One of the things the TPP would have brought to the table is more protection for IP intellectual property.
But Trump nixed the TPP without reading it.
But Trump nixed the TPP without reading it.
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I work at a large research university in Australia. At UG level most of our students are local, but at PhD level most of our students come from other countries with a lot of them being Chinese. Education is a major export of Australia.
Like any large group, there are good and bad, less skilled and more skilled. In general I find the fresh Chinese students in science and engineering to have a lot of good basic knowledge, but not much ability to think for themselves. They want to be told how to do everything and if given two differing opinions, they don't critically evaluate the situation for themselves rather the more important person must be right.
Anyway we demand that they design their own experiments, with our help and training. Then write it up, including safety. Then perform it, with snap inspections. Then trouble shoot it and evolve it. They all hate it at first, it's almost torture to them, especially the snap inspections. "Why did you write up all these safety features, when you are not doing any of them?" "if you don't need them, then don't add them to your written plan, but if you do need them, then make sure you do them". They often start out saying what they think you want to hear, but doing what they want to do.
Anyway three years later, they are completely different people. Solid independent thinkers, with good planning skills and the ability to say what they do and do what they say. Excellent scientists and engineers, and often a good friend. Half of them want to stay in Australia, but I hear those that go back to China quickly find themselves in senior positions.
I'm sure this is happening all around the world, and at some stage China will start inventing rather then just copying.
Like any large group, there are good and bad, less skilled and more skilled. In general I find the fresh Chinese students in science and engineering to have a lot of good basic knowledge, but not much ability to think for themselves. They want to be told how to do everything and if given two differing opinions, they don't critically evaluate the situation for themselves rather the more important person must be right.
Anyway we demand that they design their own experiments, with our help and training. Then write it up, including safety. Then perform it, with snap inspections. Then trouble shoot it and evolve it. They all hate it at first, it's almost torture to them, especially the snap inspections. "Why did you write up all these safety features, when you are not doing any of them?" "if you don't need them, then don't add them to your written plan, but if you do need them, then make sure you do them". They often start out saying what they think you want to hear, but doing what they want to do.
Anyway three years later, they are completely different people. Solid independent thinkers, with good planning skills and the ability to say what they do and do what they say. Excellent scientists and engineers, and often a good friend. Half of them want to stay in Australia, but I hear those that go back to China quickly find themselves in senior positions.
I'm sure this is happening all around the world, and at some stage China will start inventing rather then just copying.
What US bullet train? You mean the French Alstom or the German ICE.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_China
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_China
China is really just following a well established blueprint. As someone mentioned, the US did the same thing until well into the 20th Century. Congress passed laws making foreign copyrights invalid in the US. WWII and the movie industry were the impetus for change, as US IP became valuable the tune changed and America became copyright enforcers (since they now had more to lose).
China will do the same, eventually. They are actually enforcing some action against IP scofflaws, although certainly not enough to please everyone. But like in the US, their patent and entertainment portfolio will sooner or later evolve to the point where protecting their IP becomes more important than stealing others'. I expect that it will happen sooner than many currently think, actually. I give them 20 more years, tops.
I certainly understand the frustration of Patent, Industrial Design (called "Design Patent" in the USA) and Copyright owners, but let's not forget that one fundamental principle of IP protection is the owner is responsible, and always has been responsible for protecting their own IP. It is not the province of Government to do that for them. It is also a fundamental principle of IP law that if you don't protect your IP, by law, it becomes invalid. So you can lose your patent protection (rarely) or copyright protection (much more common) if you as owner don't pursue every instance of infringement you become aware of.
China will do the same, eventually. They are actually enforcing some action against IP scofflaws, although certainly not enough to please everyone. But like in the US, their patent and entertainment portfolio will sooner or later evolve to the point where protecting their IP becomes more important than stealing others'. I expect that it will happen sooner than many currently think, actually. I give them 20 more years, tops.
I certainly understand the frustration of Patent, Industrial Design (called "Design Patent" in the USA) and Copyright owners, but let's not forget that one fundamental principle of IP protection is the owner is responsible, and always has been responsible for protecting their own IP. It is not the province of Government to do that for them. It is also a fundamental principle of IP law that if you don't protect your IP, by law, it becomes invalid. So you can lose your patent protection (rarely) or copyright protection (much more common) if you as owner don't pursue every instance of infringement you become aware of.
Here's something to ponder ...
When China stops being an IP pirate and starts being an IP enforcer, that will be the point where their science and technology has surpassed that of the US. In other words, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
When China stops being an IP pirate and starts being an IP enforcer, that will be the point where their science and technology has surpassed that of the US. In other words, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
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One of the things the TPP would have brought to the table is more protection for IP intellectual property.
But Trump nixed the TPP without reading it.
A couple of sealth bombers dispatched to the right location can effect the same goal!
One of the things the TPP would have brought to the table is more protection for IP intellectual property.
But Trump nixed the TPP without reading it.
A couple of sealth bombers dispatched to the right location can effect the same goal!
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The same was said about Japan 40 or 50 years ago. Japan hasn't invented much on their own, but they have so improved others designs that they are associated with Japan and not the original country of design.
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