Does anyone use Terry Dyson's Analysis??
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I use him have been helped quite a bit on some problems that are now corrected
Yes, plenty of people use Terry's services. They are expensive relative to Blackstone or other labs, the value added is up to each person. This is a funny hobby, funnier for some than for others
The lab Terry uses (MRT Laboratories I think) provides a pretty typical looking report, broken down into categories and with some extra stuff (TAN, nitration, oxidation, etc) than a low cost UOA. Terry provides additional writeups and audio. You'll see the raw report info posted here but not the writeups and audio information - that "interpretation" level stuff is considered proprietary.
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The lab Terry uses (MRT Laboratories I think) provides a pretty typical looking report, broken down into categories and with some extra stuff (TAN, nitration, oxidation, etc) than a low cost UOA. Terry provides additional writeups and audio. You'll see the raw report info posted here but not the writeups and audio information - that "interpretation" level stuff is considered proprietary.
jeff
If there is a problem then his services may be needed . No problem no need.
Originally Posted By: Da Game
Been looking over some post here about UOA's, there seem to be alot of "read this for me". But recently I have yet to see a Dyson Analysis report. What's going on? Is the price to high? Not bashing just looking for reasons and answers.
Here's my most recent Dyson Analysis report, which includes a history of all my UOAs from his service.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...350#Post2017350
If you want real info on what's going on in your engine, you need a better suite of tests than what most labs offer. Dyson offers a "raw" package that gives a great test combo for $60 (a similar package from Blackstone would be north of $200). You can also get the tests plus his personalized interpretation for $130; you probably don't need this option if your engine is running fine and you just want to check up on it, but if you're tracking down a possible problem or trying to find the absolute best oil and OCI, it is worth every penny. Plus, that $130 also buys you pretty much endless correspondence with him about your report, plus a year's subscription to his weblog. Either way, AFAIK there is nothing that even comes close in terms of bang-for-the-buck. IMO, anything cheaper isn't worth doing at all, unless all you care about is whether you are overextending your OCIs.
I use the $130 option every time and haven't regretted it once.
Been looking over some post here about UOA's, there seem to be alot of "read this for me". But recently I have yet to see a Dyson Analysis report. What's going on? Is the price to high? Not bashing just looking for reasons and answers.
Here's my most recent Dyson Analysis report, which includes a history of all my UOAs from his service.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...350#Post2017350
If you want real info on what's going on in your engine, you need a better suite of tests than what most labs offer. Dyson offers a "raw" package that gives a great test combo for $60 (a similar package from Blackstone would be north of $200). You can also get the tests plus his personalized interpretation for $130; you probably don't need this option if your engine is running fine and you just want to check up on it, but if you're tracking down a possible problem or trying to find the absolute best oil and OCI, it is worth every penny. Plus, that $130 also buys you pretty much endless correspondence with him about your report, plus a year's subscription to his weblog. Either way, AFAIK there is nothing that even comes close in terms of bang-for-the-buck. IMO, anything cheaper isn't worth doing at all, unless all you care about is whether you are overextending your OCIs.
I use the $130 option every time and haven't regretted it once.
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: Da Game
Been looking over some post here about UOA's, there seem to be alot of "read this for me". But recently I have yet to see a Dyson Analysis report. What's going on? Is the price to high? Not bashing just looking for reasons and answers.
Here's my most recent Dyson Analysis report, which includes a history of all my UOAs from his service.
d00df00d's Dyson Analysis History
If you want real info on what's going on in your engine, you need a better suite of tests than what most labs offer. Dyson offers a "raw" package that gives a great test combo for $60 (a similar package from Blackstone would be north of $200). You can also get the tests plus his personalized interpretation for $130; you probably don't need this option if your engine is running fine and you just want to check up on it, but if you're tracking down a possible problem or trying to find the absolute best oil and OCI, it is worth every penny. Plus, that $130 also buys you pretty much endless correspondence with him about your report, plus a year's subscription to his weblog. Either way, AFAIK there is nothing that even comes close in terms of bang-for-the-buck. IMO, anything cheaper isn't worth doing at all, unless all you care about is whether you are overextending your OCIs.
I use the $130 option every time and haven't regretted it once.
Here, I cleaned up the link for you.
Originally Posted By: Da Game
Been looking over some post here about UOA's, there seem to be alot of "read this for me". But recently I have yet to see a Dyson Analysis report. What's going on? Is the price to high? Not bashing just looking for reasons and answers.
Here's my most recent Dyson Analysis report, which includes a history of all my UOAs from his service.
d00df00d's Dyson Analysis History
If you want real info on what's going on in your engine, you need a better suite of tests than what most labs offer. Dyson offers a "raw" package that gives a great test combo for $60 (a similar package from Blackstone would be north of $200). You can also get the tests plus his personalized interpretation for $130; you probably don't need this option if your engine is running fine and you just want to check up on it, but if you're tracking down a possible problem or trying to find the absolute best oil and OCI, it is worth every penny. Plus, that $130 also buys you pretty much endless correspondence with him about your report, plus a year's subscription to his weblog. Either way, AFAIK there is nothing that even comes close in terms of bang-for-the-buck. IMO, anything cheaper isn't worth doing at all, unless all you care about is whether you are overextending your OCIs.
I use the $130 option every time and haven't regretted it once.
Here, I cleaned up the link for you.
When people need a professional analysis, I recommend Terry.
Good info to know. I have a hard time justifying the cash, but in the right case....sure.
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I've used him for my past 4 analyses. I've got another sample waiting to be sent in for his RAW-only analysis.
One can read many things about the value of a used oil analysis. Many say it is of no value unless you are getting serial readings and combining these with large particle analysis. I agree.
I depend on the medium-sized particle analysis and proprietary interpretations that are available from Terry Dyson using only his recommended lab. It is not actually his lab but an independent lab of his choosing for accuracy and complete oil analysis readings.
Other labs/interpretations are useful when there is CLEARLY nothing going on. This is the key factor that only a few can actually say with the limited tests others can do.
I reserve the "expensive" Dyson tests when I am experimenting and need the best advice possible. For those who are not truly advanced in the interpretation of limited testing anything else is probably a total waste of your efforts.
If you are playing and using normal products, save your money, get inexpensive used oil analysis for some entry level education and self satisfaction.
If you truly need to know what is going on there is no second choice.
aehaas
I depend on the medium-sized particle analysis and proprietary interpretations that are available from Terry Dyson using only his recommended lab. It is not actually his lab but an independent lab of his choosing for accuracy and complete oil analysis readings.
Other labs/interpretations are useful when there is CLEARLY nothing going on. This is the key factor that only a few can actually say with the limited tests others can do.
I reserve the "expensive" Dyson tests when I am experimenting and need the best advice possible. For those who are not truly advanced in the interpretation of limited testing anything else is probably a total waste of your efforts.
If you are playing and using normal products, save your money, get inexpensive used oil analysis for some entry level education and self satisfaction.
If you truly need to know what is going on there is no second choice.
aehaas
Dr., that was very well stated.
I have used him recently. He does have great info.
Terry is 1st class
I really miss him around here...
Originally Posted By: mikered30
I used to use it, but the prices are much to dear now. It was $99 last year and now $130.
When he increased the price of the traditional report, he also offered the "Raw" report at $59 which includes no interpretation.
Here's some things the Dyson Raw report gives you that the basic Blackstone does not:
TAN
More accurate Flash Point
Oxidation
Nitration
More accurate fuel dilution
KF
Viscosity Index
The TAN is important because the TBN number is difficult to interpret without it.
The fuel dilution measurements are critical to determine what's going on in the report.
Oxidation and Nitration are critical to determine combustion efficiency.
Versus Blackstone, you get what you pay for IMO.
I used to use it, but the prices are much to dear now. It was $99 last year and now $130.
When he increased the price of the traditional report, he also offered the "Raw" report at $59 which includes no interpretation.
Here's some things the Dyson Raw report gives you that the basic Blackstone does not:
TAN
More accurate Flash Point
Oxidation
Nitration
More accurate fuel dilution
KF
Viscosity Index
The TAN is important because the TBN number is difficult to interpret without it.
The fuel dilution measurements are critical to determine what's going on in the report.
Oxidation and Nitration are critical to determine combustion efficiency.
Versus Blackstone, you get what you pay for IMO.
How does a person know if the "Raw report" is accurate? B_S reports are often filled with errors. Are the Dyson "Raw Reports" 100% accurate? Just wondering, no point in getting a report that might be incorrect. I'd rather pay more if I can be guaranteed an accurate report. Does Dyson look at the "Raw report" and certify it is accurate?
I'm not starting a flame war I'm asking questions to gather more info. Thanks
I'm not starting a flame war I'm asking questions to gather more info. Thanks
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
How does a person know if the "Raw report" is accurate? B_S reports are often filled with errors. Are the Dyson "Raw Reports" 100% accurate? Just wondering, no point in getting a report that might be incorrect. I'd rather pay more if I can be guaranteed an accurate report. Does Dyson look at the "Raw report" and certify it is accurate?
I'm not starting a flame war I'm asking questions to gather more info. Thanks
Interesting question... How can you prove ANY report is accurate? I don't think disputing Terry's reputation or credentials is going to be easy. He is well respected.
How does a person know if the "Raw report" is accurate? B_S reports are often filled with errors. Are the Dyson "Raw Reports" 100% accurate? Just wondering, no point in getting a report that might be incorrect. I'd rather pay more if I can be guaranteed an accurate report. Does Dyson look at the "Raw report" and certify it is accurate?
I'm not starting a flame war I'm asking questions to gather more info. Thanks
Interesting question... How can you prove ANY report is accurate? I don't think disputing Terry's reputation or credentials is going to be easy. He is well respected.
Yes, but is he doing the actual testing and report or just sending it out? It is quite obvious B_S leaves a lot to the imagination. Thanks
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