Ramcharger still sounds better.
Dodge kills full size EV pickup truck development
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It's an EREV, which means there's no physical connection between the gas engine and wheels. The drivetrain is all-electric and the gas engine's a generator.
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VW is bringing Scout back as an extended range SUV and pickup.
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Sounds like a pretty good idea.
It does sound like a good idea.
In concept it's like a scaled down gas version of a diesel locomotive.
For a sedan or passenger car GM/ Chevy proved with the gen1 & 2 volt that this isn't as efficient as having at least one final locked up physical connection to a gas engine.
With a truck always mileage challenged/constrained I guess we'll see how it goes when and if it ever actually makes it out.
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You can get around 1700# if you don't get an overweight highly optioned pig. Unfortunately that's what a lot of people buy. Mine is just a hair under 1700#. (XLT)
Still better than most 1/2 tons that people buy these days. Most of the manufs have really neutered payload in recent years on 1/2 tons..
I would have preferred a 2wd truck, but it is what it is. Ford has really cut their build options down and your only hybrid option these days is 4x4.
If they get off their butts and bring the Ranger PHEV here, I'll be one of the first to jump ship back to a mid-sized.
Can't argue that the hybrid powertrain helps around town. I just clocked a 27mpg+ run driving back and forth to work for a week. Not my normal mileage, but it can be done.
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My issue with the PB is I don't want the added complexity of the hybrid powertrain on top of the turbo boosty cam phaser motor, which already requires cab-off service of half of its wear items.
I could be wrong, but I though Ram was planning to use a simpler ICE setup with the hybrid model.
Supposed to be fixed in the Gen3. We'll see if it makes it out of the extended warranty without that service. Far as I know, it's not cab-off either.
Stellantis is using a series hybrid. Pentastar running a generator charging battery/running powertrain. No direct connection between ICE and wheels.
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Ford EV truck number one buyer was the US federal government. Without the US federal government buying the Lightning, the sales numbers would be very different.
Of note, the USG was also a huge buyer of the plug in Pacifica.
I am not sure the public has seen the data on why the USG bought the lighting and Pacifica for its GSA fleet.
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Yes understand, did not understand using those words
Of interest, Ford slashed EV production 50% in Germany. Using that number 50% is justified by the fact they cut the second shift of to shifts.With that said, EVs still sell according to the story but increases way lower than planned for.
There are a ton of articles on this. Just type Ford cuts EV production in Germany. Part of this blamed on the cut in EV incentives over there.
https://fortune.com/2025/09/16/ford-job-cuts-germany-cologne-electric-vehicles/
https://newmobility.news/2025/09/17/weak-ev-sales-push-ford-to-slash-1000-jobs-in-cologne-factory/
So I'd need a ramcharger recharger?
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Well , gov led incentives are not ever a good sign that any business is strong enough to stand on it's own.
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If your argument is that gov't should never subsidize a business, I think history says otherwise. The Internet was born of an DARPA project. If your point is that some businesses can't stand on their own without a subsidy, we're in agreement.
The real question is when does it make sense for the gov't to subsidize an industry? A book could be written on that subject. As a reminder, oil and gas still gets billions in subsidizes. In my business it's well known that O&G drilling partnerships are a fantastic tax avoidance strategy.
The role of government is to provide for things too big, expensive and/or important for the private sector.
Innovation is key, much of which goes nowhere.
Naysayers are handing the future over to others.
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-- I totally agree with the majority of what you wrote here. Just want to get it straight. What I wrote is not true?
-- I have NO argument here? Will admit to several grating boomer attitudes...
like a scrape against a chalkboard.But, even when I talk about the poor, less than expected EV sales and such, I am not a protesting anti EV person. The technology interests me greatly and I hope it can be improved with leaps and bounds quickly. Regardless if I plan to own one, I do not at this time for several reasons. Does that place me at odds or in some fight with EV fans, supporters or owners. It should not. I certainly don't plan to own a yacht either.
-- History can say whatever it wants. It says a lot and I am not saying history is a liar. So , mistakes have happened thru history. A lot of good has happened too. Maybe we should at least try to avoid the same type of things with similar poor results. I bet you know the definition of insanity about doing the same things repeatedly yet expecting different results. Most of us have done it. Me too.
-- IMHO oil & gas should get ZERO from any gov since they make so much profits. A check of the stock markets can prove what they like to deny about profits. All we need to do is look at the leaders of Middle East countries swimming in wealth from oil monies.
-- I can still feel it is simply not a good an idea for the success of any type of business to be too dependent on anyone but it's very own customer base. Is a company that is able to build up, become known , rise up thru exposure to the masses in order to sell a product or service but then continually struggles to move the product weak? or maybe even here at the wrong time for one reason or another? Is that an indication that something? anything? is not working or clicking right with the main target customers? Probably is. What else could it be? Products , plus their future maintenance can be so costly to the point that it eliminates a great majority of potential customers. There are hosts of reasons everyone does not buy all the same things. Is it good that a company may even need laws to be changed to basically eliminate competition and to force customers to their very own product?
-- There so many stories about several companies who in the past several years needed incentives and much money from the gov. Great things were promised to us from the use of that money. There are (21) Green Energy companies reported on that took millions (likely billions total) from the gov since 2010. The only thing all (21) companies accomplished was to take tax dollars, then very quickly all proceeded to shut down and file for bankruptcy protections. Seems like a very similar/strange pattern with all of them doing exactly the same. I would not say Conspiracy. No, the word most likely should be Theft. I say they should all be defending themselves for theft in courts across the USA today. Plus there should be huge investigations into where all those many millions went to so quickly. It just seems like nearly every time a business needs tax monies from us, our gov to survive, things often do not turn out well or to the advantage of the providers of that money.
Agree and in this case they are supporting something that already exists with my money.
So it begs the question why?
Which using that word … “keep your hands off of my stack”
I wonder how many people are old enough to know that famous song
GM and Ford would be gone without them.
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Internet and World Wide Web, GPS, Microchips and Semiconductors, Supercomputers, Dopller Radar, Vaccines, MRIs, Airports across our country, Cordless tools, on and on.
Fusion energy?
Thanks governement and subsidies!
Fusion energy?
Thanks governement and subsidies!
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