Sounds like poor engineering to me. I sure hope the fuel savings are enough to cover the repair....
Dodge challengers breaking timing chains
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Doog, please consider how many 5.7 Hemi's are on the road. That's Ram pickups, 300s, magnums, chargers, Durangos, etc.
Now imagine there's 20, 30, or even a HUNDRED timing chain failures.
If it was really a basic engineering problem don't you think there would be a few more failures?
Give it some thought and get back to us...
Now imagine there's 20, 30, or even a HUNDRED timing chain failures.
If it was really a basic engineering problem don't you think there would be a few more failures?
Give it some thought and get back to us...
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Doog, please consider how many 5.7 Hemi's are on the road. That's Ram pickups, 300s, magnums, chargers, Durangos, etc.
Now imagine there's 20, 30, or even a HUNDRED timing chain failures.
If it was really a basic engineering problem don't you think there would be a few more failures?
Give it some thought and get back to us...
Spot on.
Did anybody even consider that people posting on those forums perhaps are not telling the whole story?
Sure, internet is a great tool and these model specific forums can be of great help, but common sense should still be exercised.
Doog, please consider how many 5.7 Hemi's are on the road. That's Ram pickups, 300s, magnums, chargers, Durangos, etc.
Now imagine there's 20, 30, or even a HUNDRED timing chain failures.
If it was really a basic engineering problem don't you think there would be a few more failures?
Give it some thought and get back to us...
Spot on.
Did anybody even consider that people posting on those forums perhaps are not telling the whole story?
Sure, internet is a great tool and these model specific forums can be of great help, but common sense should still be exercised.
Just curious if you've got the whole story yet. Monday on my way to work, 70 mph in the fast lane 7am I suddenly lose power after hearing a pop under the hood of my 2010 Dodge Challenger 5.7 R/T, A/T with MDS. Luckily I made it to the shoulder. Contrary to some of what I've read on here..... There is a serious problem with the timing chains. As of now there are hundreds of people that have had this happen to them. Not 20. It seems that its limited to 09, 10, 11 Challenger R/T with A/T with MDS, although I haven't researched 300's or Rams. I'm here to tell you that you're getting the whole story from me... I cant tell you how well I took care of that car. Some have had their car repaired and the timing chain broke a second time. It's just a bad situation all the way around. You're right about the common sense thing... I probably shouldn't have bought this car. Besides that, I'm not sure what your reference to "Common Sense" is referring to. Anyway...... Lawyers have been contacted and people are being notified. It's a very unsafe situation on the freeway when a timing belt lets go.... Take care....
^^^A sad tale to be true, but there are millions of 5.7's out there! Do you really believe there is anything special about the timing chain in a Challenger (LC) that differs from an LX? Or a Ram? Durango? Jeep? The same motor is in ALL of them.
Any engine with a huge number of them out there will have some failures. Many times these are compounded by the stealership being unable or unwilling to fix it.
No matter the reason my heart goes out to you. Having a new or newer car fail catastrophically is always traumatic. Good luck...
Any engine with a huge number of them out there will have some failures. Many times these are compounded by the stealership being unable or unwilling to fix it.
No matter the reason my heart goes out to you. Having a new or newer car fail catastrophically is always traumatic. Good luck...
Originally Posted By: helomech
Just curious if you've got the whole story yet. Monday on my way to work, 70 mph in the fast lane 7am I suddenly lose power after hearing a pop under the hood of my 2010 Dodge Challenger
Will warranty cover your repair?
Just curious if you've got the whole story yet. Monday on my way to work, 70 mph in the fast lane 7am I suddenly lose power after hearing a pop under the hood of my 2010 Dodge Challenger
Will warranty cover your repair?
It isnt the timing change but the small chain for the mds.
to counter the other person, friend just traded his 09 Charger RT with 195K miles on it, didnt have nary an issue with the car other than the usual brakes, fluid changes, tires, and some shocks etc
Bought another charger with the 3.6.
to counter the other person, friend just traded his 09 Charger RT with 195K miles on it, didnt have nary an issue with the car other than the usual brakes, fluid changes, tires, and some shocks etc
Bought another charger with the 3.6.
Originally Posted By: VNTS
It isnt the timing change but the small chain for the mds.
to counter the other person, friend just traded his 09 Charger RT with 195K miles on it, didnt have nary an issue with the car other than the usual brakes, fluid changes, tires, and some shocks etc
Bought another charger with the 3.6.
Luckily this has been my experience. Over 200 drag strip passes, tons of HPDE's across the country, and lots of hard running. Nary a peep. Purchased August 05.
Glad mine doesn't have the additional complexity of MDS if that's really the reason...
It isnt the timing change but the small chain for the mds.
to counter the other person, friend just traded his 09 Charger RT with 195K miles on it, didnt have nary an issue with the car other than the usual brakes, fluid changes, tires, and some shocks etc
Bought another charger with the 3.6.
Luckily this has been my experience. Over 200 drag strip passes, tons of HPDE's across the country, and lots of hard running. Nary a peep. Purchased August 05.
Glad mine doesn't have the additional complexity of MDS if that's really the reason...
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: VNTS
It isnt the timing change but the small chain for the mds.
to counter the other person, friend just traded his 09 Charger RT with 195K miles on it, didnt have nary an issue with the car other than the usual brakes, fluid changes, tires, and some shocks etc
Bought another charger with the 3.6.
Luckily this has been my experience. Over 200 drag strip passes, tons of HPDE's across the country, and lots of hard running. Nary a peep. Purchased August 05.
Glad mine doesn't have the additional complexity of MDS if that's really the reason...
You're safe anyway because it sounds like this problem is fully related to MDS which I believe the 6.1/6.4 have never had.
The safe bet, Challenger 392 w 6 speed manual.
Originally Posted By: VNTS
It isnt the timing change but the small chain for the mds.
to counter the other person, friend just traded his 09 Charger RT with 195K miles on it, didnt have nary an issue with the car other than the usual brakes, fluid changes, tires, and some shocks etc
Bought another charger with the 3.6.
Luckily this has been my experience. Over 200 drag strip passes, tons of HPDE's across the country, and lots of hard running. Nary a peep. Purchased August 05.
Glad mine doesn't have the additional complexity of MDS if that's really the reason...
You're safe anyway because it sounds like this problem is fully related to MDS which I believe the 6.1/6.4 have never had.
The safe bet, Challenger 392 w 6 speed manual.
Just note that the 6.4's with the automatic DO have MDS.
so how was the car driven? oh sorry i all ready said that
Originally Posted By: c502cid
2010 Dodge Ram 1500, lightly modded 5.7, no issues. I've never had an engine in my whole life go 6000 mile OCI without adding a drop, ever. 58000 miles on it now.
Also, helomech, 1 post. Not sure I'm buying what he's selling without some proof.
I think this is more of a Challenger issue with MDS and how Dodoge has programmed it for that platform.
Read helomechs story here not nice I'd be more than [censored] if my 2010 (any make) auto had a timing chain failure with only 56K miles!
http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/f188/timing-chain-failure-dodge-challenger-69216/index329.html
2010 Dodge Ram 1500, lightly modded 5.7, no issues. I've never had an engine in my whole life go 6000 mile OCI without adding a drop, ever. 58000 miles on it now.
Also, helomech, 1 post. Not sure I'm buying what he's selling without some proof.
I think this is more of a Challenger issue with MDS and how Dodoge has programmed it for that platform.
Read helomechs story here not nice I'd be more than [censored] if my 2010 (any make) auto had a timing chain failure with only 56K miles!
http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/f188/timing-chain-failure-dodge-challenger-69216/index329.html
^^^Absolutely agreed. He has my sincere sympathies.
But there is nothing in that thread that supports any theories about large numbers of Hemi's with timing chain failures. It's just not happening.
But there is nothing in that thread that supports any theories about large numbers of Hemi's with timing chain failures. It's just not happening.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
^^^Absolutely agreed. He has my sincere sympathies.
But there is nothing in that thread that supports any theories about large numbers of Hemi's with timing chain failures. It's just not happening.
But it MUST be true; he read it on the innernets...
^^^Absolutely agreed. He has my sincere sympathies.
But there is nothing in that thread that supports any theories about large numbers of Hemi's with timing chain failures. It's just not happening.
But it MUST be true; he read it on the innernets...
SteveSRT8, by your thought process, the engines are completely identical internally, yet they are being asked to do something different that it seems the other cars are. That to me says that they(the chains) are being asked to do things that are outside the original design parameters. I think we can all agree that the Ram, Jeep and Durango aren't made to do the same thing, don't have the same suspension and don't have the same requirements. Increase the MDS on time in order to bump up mpg, and you are increasing wear on a mechanical part. I'd bet a dollar that turning off the MDS would turn off the chains breaking, ala http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/f18...tml#post1326060
My 04 ram hemi has over 270000 on the odo. Not a single solitary issue with it other than that pesky fuel gauge.
Originally Posted By: artificialist
There are a few engines notorious for chain problem, and not all the chains came from China.
Some came from the USA:
Ford modular V8
Not sure why you included this engine. The Ford modular v8 is very stout; timing chain failures are unheard of.
There were a couple of years where the chain guides wore prematurely, but this did not affect the operation of the motor (unless neglected for a VERY long time) and is a relatively simple repair.
There are a few engines notorious for chain problem, and not all the chains came from China.
Some came from the USA:
Ford modular V8
Not sure why you included this engine. The Ford modular v8 is very stout; timing chain failures are unheard of.
There were a couple of years where the chain guides wore prematurely, but this did not affect the operation of the motor (unless neglected for a VERY long time) and is a relatively simple repair.
Originally Posted By: Shaman
SteveSRT8, by your thought process, the engines are completely identical internally, yet they are being asked to do something different that it seems the other cars are. That to me says that they(the chains) are being asked to do things that are outside the original design parameters. I think we can all agree that the Ram, Jeep and Durango aren't made to do the same thing, don't have the same suspension and don't have the same requirements. Increase the MDS on time in order to bump up mpg, and you are increasing wear on a mechanical part. I'd bet a dollar that turning off the MDS would turn off the chains breaking, ala http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/f18...tml#post1326060
I applaud the whole deduction, but regardless that makes little difference to my assertions in my post. I have been a new gen Hemi enthusiast since 2003, and I own a 6.1 that was bought new August 05. I frequent many Mopar forums and even mod at one. I have heard very little about this issue from very few owners.
There just aren't enough failures to have a huge snafu. Maybe their coming, but right now the numbers just don't back you up, man. As I said earlier, I am truly in sympathy with any owner who loses an engine so young... I'm a car guy!
SteveSRT8, by your thought process, the engines are completely identical internally, yet they are being asked to do something different that it seems the other cars are. That to me says that they(the chains) are being asked to do things that are outside the original design parameters. I think we can all agree that the Ram, Jeep and Durango aren't made to do the same thing, don't have the same suspension and don't have the same requirements. Increase the MDS on time in order to bump up mpg, and you are increasing wear on a mechanical part. I'd bet a dollar that turning off the MDS would turn off the chains breaking, ala http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/f18...tml#post1326060
I applaud the whole deduction, but regardless that makes little difference to my assertions in my post. I have been a new gen Hemi enthusiast since 2003, and I own a 6.1 that was bought new August 05. I frequent many Mopar forums and even mod at one. I have heard very little about this issue from very few owners.
There just aren't enough failures to have a huge snafu. Maybe their coming, but right now the numbers just don't back you up, man. As I said earlier, I am truly in sympathy with any owner who loses an engine so young... I'm a car guy!
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Its these thin motor oil causing these chains to wear out
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