Do mandated ethanol fuel = no % post at pumps??

[slickrick]

There are several locations in our town(Murfreesboro, TN.) whose pumps no longer have the ethanol stickers. Now, I have always been told that stations don't make much money selling gas instead making it from the "stuff" folks buy when they go inside the store. So I was a bit skeptical when I saw where a sticker used to be on the pump(rectangular glue spot) but there was no ads on the big sign that they have no ethanol gas while other places do advertise no ethanol. If I were the store owner knowing how much better engines run with E-0 fuel I would advertise E-0 just to get the "stuff" sales.
From reading other posts eluding to a federal MANDATORY ethanol blend by a certain date was wondering if after that date the stations wouldn't necessarily have to post the stickers anymore. Are they trying to sneak something else thru the backdoor? Thanks for your reply.
(BTW this was posted on another bitog forum last week but no reply. Maybe more exposure here!!)

 

[Ursae_Majoris]

Our winter blends have always had 10% ethanol in them. Never saw a single sticker on the pumps.

 

[benjamming]

Every state varies on the posting rules. That may change with any Federal mandates.

 

[severach]

http://www.e0pc.com/
http://www.fuel-testers.com/
US Fuel State Requirement Map

A few websites collect the state by state rules. Some states have mandated statewide ethanol blending. The lists are based on generic requirements so may not match the law exactly. Michigan dropped the labeling requirement in 2002 for E0-E10. The labels and E0 disappeared over several years. Now E0 isn't available. Some states have strict labeling laws and in some E0 is still available.

http://www.buyrealgas.com/
E0PC: The New Reality Of Ethanol Blending In The US
Grist: How cash and corporate pressure pushed ethanol to the fore

 

[ionbeam22]

The corn/ethanol lobby has promoted not requiring labeling. Pretty much all gasoline will have ethanol blended in, either due to laws that require it, or a positive blending spread. (E.g ethanol costing less than RBOB gasoline). If there is a negative blending spread, then some refiners may opt out of diluting gasoline with the more expensive ethanol.

The whole thing is joke, since the domestic ethanol industry would not exist without a 50ct/gal protective tariff. That tariff combined with artificial (legislated!) demand for ethanol, results in a distortion of the domestic grain market away from food production and towards ethanol.

It would be far better to mandate that all passenger car/light truck diesels be compatible with B100, and then shift to TDI technologies.

Biodiesel creates real value, since the starting marterials have zero value (Waste VO, White/Yellow/Brown Grease) to begin with, vs ethanol which converts something of value (corn) into something else of value.

The simple test of ethanol advocates who claim enviromental credentials, is to ask about imported brazilian sugercane ethanol.

 

[severach]

Mobil has a US Fuel State Requirement Map for 2009.

 

[Ursae_Majoris]

So Alaska is not a part of the USA, according to those maps. I feel the love....

 

[benjamming]

The chart linked to by severach doesn't even have HI. That's funny stuff.

 

[Dieseldoctor]

As far as i know TN u have to have a Ethanol disclaimer.. could say some grades or all grades somewhere on the tank if not then they dont. Now around metro nashville they could use a different blend because of the smog stuff. I know the pumps around nashvilel are different than the ones in east tn to suck the vapors up

 

[mechtech2]

In general, major brand new stations in populated areas can be trusted as to labeling.
Out in the country, at Mon n Pops place, who knows?
Pretty much everyone has 10% alcohol, now, anyway.

 

[Augustus]

Originally Posted By: mechtech2
Pretty much everyone has 10% alcohol, now, anyway.


Yeah, but it's not mandated.

Per www.e0pc.com, E10 is not mandated by the Federal Govt. What is mandated is the amount of gallons of Ethanol that has to be added to the Nation's gasoline supply, increasingly annually, with the ultimate goal in 2022 of E85 and flex-fuel engines. The Govt didn't take into consideration lower oil prices making Ethanol economically unfeasible, and lower oil demand, thus forcing the oil companies to ramp up E10 even in non-mandated E10 States.

BioFuels Run Into Trouble

The bottom of this Site site notes which States mandate the selling of E10. Six.

It's a joke.

 

[Augustus]

Sorry severach. I put up the same link you did.