Java 6 update 31,and Java 7 update 3 (64-bit),i run win 7 64bit
do i need these 2 from java?
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Unless you run 64-bit browsers, you don't need the 64-bit version of Java. Update the 32-bit version to the latest version and uninstall version 6 if it's still present after updating. Old versions of Java are big security risks.
Originally Posted By: Towncivilian
Unless you run 64-bit browsers
I thought a browser was just a browser.how can i tell which one it is?
Unless you run 64-bit browsers
I thought a browser was just a browser.how can i tell which one it is?
Java 6 is the official supported version, java 7 is available but not really released/supported yet it's kind of like beta/test. You should stick with java 6 update 31 unless you want to try java 7, there's really no difference or any problems that i've noticed using java 7 on my computers.
The 32bit is version 6.0.310,that link is 1.7.0.3
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Originally Posted By: Towncivilian
Unless you run 64-bit browsers
I thought a browser was just a browser.how can i tell which one it is?
Firefox is 32bit browser currently, and internet explorer has a 32bit and 64bit versions installed in 64bit win 7, the default IE is 32 bit, you have to open the specific shortcut for the 64bit version, you can tell if you goto Tools>About Internet Explorer and it should say if it's the "64-bit Edition". Install both the 32 bit and 64bit java 6 update 31 and you'll be fine.
And get it from the source, I don't trust other websites. http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp
Originally Posted By: Towncivilian
Unless you run 64-bit browsers
I thought a browser was just a browser.how can i tell which one it is?
Firefox is 32bit browser currently, and internet explorer has a 32bit and 64bit versions installed in 64bit win 7, the default IE is 32 bit, you have to open the specific shortcut for the 64bit version, you can tell if you goto Tools>About Internet Explorer and it should say if it's the "64-bit Edition". Install both the 32 bit and 64bit java 6 update 31 and you'll be fine.
And get it from the source, I don't trust other websites. http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp
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Originally Posted By: Towncivilian
Unless you run 64-bit browsers, you don't need the 64-bit version of Java. Update the 32-bit version to the latest version and uninstall version 6 if it's still present after updating. Old versions of Java are big security risks.
Yep. While I have both the 32 and 64 bit versions of java use IE9-64 on the rare occasion that I need IE the average user will see no difference between the 64 and 32 bit versions. About the only difference there really is on frames-per-second bragging rights when running GPU accelerated web page rendering tests... and even then Chrome 32 bit is awfully close to IE 64
And yes for God's sake keep Java up to date. From the messes I've been dealing with lately, 99% of the threats are coming in through security holes in older versions of Java in the form of droppers/exploits that then start loading such lovlies on the system as the recent spate of boot/root kits.
Unless you run 64-bit browsers, you don't need the 64-bit version of Java. Update the 32-bit version to the latest version and uninstall version 6 if it's still present after updating. Old versions of Java are big security risks.
Yep. While I have both the 32 and 64 bit versions of java use IE9-64 on the rare occasion that I need IE the average user will see no difference between the 64 and 32 bit versions. About the only difference there really is on frames-per-second bragging rights when running GPU accelerated web page rendering tests... and even then Chrome 32 bit is awfully close to IE 64
And yes for God's sake keep Java up to date. From the messes I've been dealing with lately, 99% of the threats are coming in through security holes in older versions of Java in the form of droppers/exploits that then start loading such lovlies on the system as the recent spate of boot/root kits.
You may want to ask yourself if you even need Java in the first place due to its security issues. I don't have it on any of my computers and have very rarely run into a situation where it needed to be present.
Actually, I think the only sites I've run across that prompt to install Java have been adult sites that are trying to use it infect my system with something. No thanks.
Actually, I think the only sites I've run across that prompt to install Java have been adult sites that are trying to use it infect my system with something. No thanks.
Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
You may want to ask yourself if you even need Java in the first place due to its security issues. I don't have it on any of my computers and have very rarely run into a situation where it needed to be present.
Actually, I think the only sites I've run across that prompt to install Java have been adult sites that are trying to use it infect my system with something. No thanks.
I have found this to be the case also. I have gone to sites where a popup says that Java would improve my experience, but I can't tell a difference.
You may want to ask yourself if you even need Java in the first place due to its security issues. I don't have it on any of my computers and have very rarely run into a situation where it needed to be present.
Actually, I think the only sites I've run across that prompt to install Java have been adult sites that are trying to use it infect my system with something. No thanks.
I have found this to be the case also. I have gone to sites where a popup says that Java would improve my experience, but I can't tell a difference.
I will be installing a new hard drive shortly, and will do a clean install of Win XP on it. Should I leave Java out of the mix?
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I will be installing a new hard drive shortly, and will do a clean install of Win XP on it. Should I leave Java out of the mix?
Yes. Don't install it unless you have a specific need for it.
I will be installing a new hard drive shortly, and will do a clean install of Win XP on it. Should I leave Java out of the mix?
Yes. Don't install it unless you have a specific need for it.
Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I will be installing a new hard drive shortly, and will do a clean install of Win XP on it. Should I leave Java out of the mix?
Yes. Don't install it unless you have a specific need for it.
Thanks, is it automatically installed with Win XP, and then haunts you to update it? If so can I uninstall it after the installation of Win XP?
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I will be installing a new hard drive shortly, and will do a clean install of Win XP on it. Should I leave Java out of the mix?
Yes. Don't install it unless you have a specific need for it.
Thanks, is it automatically installed with Win XP, and then haunts you to update it? If so can I uninstall it after the installation of Win XP?
Java is not included with Windows XP.
I'd steer clear of installing Java unless and until I was prompted to install it in order to view or use something that I felt is worth it.
Having said that, Ubuntu and most other Linux flavours come with an open source variant of the Java Runtime Environment by default and LibreOffice (the OpenOffice succesor) seems to really like a JRE kicking around, so I have one installed.
Having said that, Ubuntu and most other Linux flavours come with an open source variant of the Java Runtime Environment by default and LibreOffice (the OpenOffice succesor) seems to really like a JRE kicking around, so I have one installed.
Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
I'd steer clear of installing Java unless and until I was prompted to install it in order to view or use something that I felt is worth it.
Having said that, Ubuntu and most other Linux flavours come with an open source variant of the Java Runtime Environment by default and LibreOffice (the OpenOffice succesor) seems to really like a JRE kicking around, so I have one installed.
My need for Java has caused me to migrate from MSE to Avast. While I never had an infection during the 3 years I used MSE, the increase in Javascript exploits led me to switching to Avast since it includes a scripting shield. The scripting shield examines all scripts run on a system (Java or otherwise) to stop javascript exploits dead in their tracks.
I'd steer clear of installing Java unless and until I was prompted to install it in order to view or use something that I felt is worth it.
Having said that, Ubuntu and most other Linux flavours come with an open source variant of the Java Runtime Environment by default and LibreOffice (the OpenOffice succesor) seems to really like a JRE kicking around, so I have one installed.
My need for Java has caused me to migrate from MSE to Avast. While I never had an infection during the 3 years I used MSE, the increase in Javascript exploits led me to switching to Avast since it includes a scripting shield. The scripting shield examines all scripts run on a system (Java or otherwise) to stop javascript exploits dead in their tracks.
Originally Posted By: buickman50401
My need for Java has caused me to migrate from MSE to Avast. While I never had an infection during the 3 years I used MSE, the increase in Javascript exploits led me to switching to Avast since it includes a scripting shield. The scripting shield examines all scripts run on a system (Java or otherwise) to stop javascript exploits dead in their tracks.
FYI: Java and javascript have nothing - literally, absolutely nothing - to do with each other.
My need for Java has caused me to migrate from MSE to Avast. While I never had an infection during the 3 years I used MSE, the increase in Javascript exploits led me to switching to Avast since it includes a scripting shield. The scripting shield examines all scripts run on a system (Java or otherwise) to stop javascript exploits dead in their tracks.
FYI: Java and javascript have nothing - literally, absolutely nothing - to do with each other.
To add to what uc50ic4more wrote about java vs javascript:
javascript is implemented in the browser, it is not a separate installation into the operating system like java.
To help control javascript exploits, we have add-ons like noscript in Firefox. Another nice effect of javascript control is a dramatic decrease in ads seen on web pages.
java can be used by regular (non-browser) applications, like LibreOffice. Many large corporations seem to use java in house. BITOG has a member javacontour whom I imagine is an expert.
I try to keep java away from my PC, due to the security risks, because I don't work for one of those corporations where it is used for good.
javascript is implemented in the browser, it is not a separate installation into the operating system like java.
To help control javascript exploits, we have add-ons like noscript in Firefox. Another nice effect of javascript control is a dramatic decrease in ads seen on web pages.
java can be used by regular (non-browser) applications, like LibreOffice. Many large corporations seem to use java in house. BITOG has a member javacontour whom I imagine is an expert.
I try to keep java away from my PC, due to the security risks, because I don't work for one of those corporations where it is used for good.
Maybe 10 or 12 years ago I was an expert. But I've not done anything serious with Java for a while.
What you say is correct. Java and Javascript are two separate beasts. They simply share the first four letters in their names.
Javascript is a scripting language that is interpreted from the source code.
Java is compiled into byte-codes that theoretically can run on any Java Virtual Machine (JVM)
The idea was write once, run anywhere and platform differences were handled by the JVM, so if you asked to open a file, the JVM would know how to do it on a particular host.
Applets (Java byte-code running in your browser)were supposed to be in a well protected sandbox, not allowed to access files on the system, only allowed to open network connections back to the webserver where they originated, etc. I suspect the security model was relaxed because folks wanted to do more and now we have more exploits. (For example, when java first started, you could not access the printer from an applet in the browser.)
The JVM is also computer code that is suspect to same sorts of attacks any other code might suffer. Buffer overflows and other bugs can and have been exploited.
Like any software, it's best to remain current and keep it updated with the latest bug and security fixes.
Edited to add, I was part of Sun's very first "Train the trainer" where they took techincal instructors with a programming background and taught us enough Java that we could turn around and teach it. Back in 1996, it seemed the course-ware was changing almost as fast as the JVM and the language itself. I had to carry several versions as I never knew which version would be in the classroom as I traveled around the US teaching folks about this new and exciting language.
What you say is correct. Java and Javascript are two separate beasts. They simply share the first four letters in their names.
Javascript is a scripting language that is interpreted from the source code.
Java is compiled into byte-codes that theoretically can run on any Java Virtual Machine (JVM)
The idea was write once, run anywhere and platform differences were handled by the JVM, so if you asked to open a file, the JVM would know how to do it on a particular host.
Applets (Java byte-code running in your browser)were supposed to be in a well protected sandbox, not allowed to access files on the system, only allowed to open network connections back to the webserver where they originated, etc. I suspect the security model was relaxed because folks wanted to do more and now we have more exploits. (For example, when java first started, you could not access the printer from an applet in the browser.)
The JVM is also computer code that is suspect to same sorts of attacks any other code might suffer. Buffer overflows and other bugs can and have been exploited.
Like any software, it's best to remain current and keep it updated with the latest bug and security fixes.
Edited to add, I was part of Sun's very first "Train the trainer" where they took techincal instructors with a programming background and taught us enough Java that we could turn around and teach it. Back in 1996, it seemed the course-ware was changing almost as fast as the JVM and the language itself. I had to carry several versions as I never knew which version would be in the classroom as I traveled around the US teaching folks about this new and exciting language.
Also, I believe java has gone from being built into the browser (think back to Netscape days) to being the browser plugin it is today.
Sun even wrote their own simple browser in Java called hotjava. For some, it was their first browser that would run Java applets.
Eventually Microsoft licensed Java and added it to I.E. MS tried to control where the language was going by extending Java and adding to the API they supported hoping to get folks to go with MS exclusively.
Sun even wrote their own simple browser in Java called hotjava. For some, it was their first browser that would run Java applets.
Eventually Microsoft licensed Java and added it to I.E. MS tried to control where the language was going by extending Java and adding to the API they supported hoping to get folks to go with MS exclusively.
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