Very true. The CEO's love them. The outsourced H1-B's will work for less pay and put in 80 hours a week. The domestic engineer's get the shaft and the CEOs get the bonus.
Do engineers not make good money anymore?
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If you don’t work on engines, you’re not an engineer. It’s just common sense.
From Websters:
engine: something that produces a particular and usually desirable result
When was the last time you saw an engineer working on something that would produce “particular and usually desirable result”?
Many homeless people in those areas have jobs (a surprising number actually)
Well that rules out half my coworkers... maybe more. [Maybe me too, if you ask them.]
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I’ve mentioned it multiple times I work on a team of 7 and 5/7 wfh. They are hardly productive and attending kids’ functions, vet appointments, doctor, car repair. All under the umbrella “my job gets done.” They also offload any in person and hq functions to the other two of us.
Like I said—I took delight in finding out they are on purpose cut off from corporate communications.
Anyway, in high cost of living areas, do not discount peoples’ drive to work hard to make ends meet. One of my wife’s friends lived in Daly City, CA (ended up moving to Vegas). She worked 3 jobs to pay the mortgage.
It can also be very important to find out what doesn't work...
Just not the same way too many times
A friend graduated from one of the better engineering schools and worked as an engineer for a number of years. He left the business because that was about as far as he would have gone salary wise. He found another, better paying career that his engineering talent helped, but was not the primary skill needed.
I'm a Software Engineer and things have changed quite a bit in the past few years. We previously used contractors from South America for development and testing but the company recently moved most of those positions to India. They are also laying off most of the US team and moving those roles to India as well. Between offshoring and AI, I don't see as bright of a future for my career.
Welcome to Capitalism. Winners and losers.
In my case, there was no difference if the guy who took my job was from half way around the world or across the street; I lost my job just the same.
I wasn't gonna let that happen.
Oh it is always desirable, for someone. A lot of the work is to cover a "what if this happen" scenario and make sure you are not caught with something that doesn't work 1 out of 100000000000 times. Murphy's law you know.When was the last time you saw an engineer working on something that would produce “particular and usually desirable result”?
This has changed recently. I know a lot of Indians and Chinese gave up the hope of getting a green card via work and decided to swtich jobs in the US for higher pay instead of less pay and put in 80 hours a week. The wait time for Indian is like 20 years and they would end up having a kid, move to Canada in between Visa expiration, come back and restart the whole process, and when their kids grow up either get them their green card with family program, or retire in India. So what's the point of low pay and long hours? They too get laid off in a downturn.
Every day, lolWhen was the last time you saw an engineer working on something that would produce “particular and usually desirable result”?
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2006-2010. Hey, let’s put a true dual and two turbochargers on the car. Give it the ability to provide heat for 30 min with the engine off. Throw in an external oil cooler, adaptive xenon HID, and let’s do no optional stereo because we’re making it standard and let’s sell such a car for $40,600.
Engineering did all that, it sure wasn’t accounting. Accounting realized that exhaust cost 15% of what we’re selling the car for let’s cut the cost to 1/4 by 2012.
That is key. You want more for the stamp of your approval if the failure is going to cost you your entire life's work...
MA also has highest housing costs and childcare costs by a far margin. A factor needs to applied as many dentists work in cheaper states and areas driving down numbers.
As I've said elsewhere here, dentists in LCOL states often have much less competition and can do significantly better than dentists in HCOL areas like MA. It is a major problem right now in dentistry where new grads all want to live in major metropolitan areas and because of competition they are being offered significantly less there than many rural practices are offering in areas they deem less desirable areas.
