Originally Posted By: DustyBones
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: DustyBones
Just a guess here, but you lack the basic ability to use the search function here.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2233731
Put the little pointer thingy over that link and click on it. Maybe I should tell you its the newest koolaid link. You seem to be a keep the forum guys happy and use M1 at any cost kinda fellas.
Look in the comments of elevated wear.
Then come back with why so many fans of that oil say deal with it, run it a,few OCIs, dont worry about the extea noise, it dont cause wear, ignore the UOA that confirms you believe that noise may be wearing the engine, dont worry about that quart you lost after 3,000 miles, superior oils have these characteristics, the guys online told me so. Now that is what I call trolling.
So use the search function here and read all the my car started drinking oil, makes more noise, shows more wear on UOA threads right here when people try a fill of it. Then look at the rediculous excuses people make to try and convince people to keep filling the motor with it. It is almost comical.
Doug is too polite to call you on it but that isn't going to stop me here. YOU obviously failed with the search function.
In case you missed it: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/engine-oil-analysis/
Was written by the same guy who you just openly flamed and said can't use the search function. I'll go out on a limb and bet that Doug has more oil analysis experience in the last 30 minutes than you'll accrue in your lifetime.
I'd also argue he has more experience with lubricants in general than the collective of everybody else in this thread, covering tens of millions of Km's of real world testing working WITH OEM's AND various lubricant manufacturers INCLUDING Castrol(BP), SOPUS and ExxonMobil.
You've just done the most epic troll of all. You called out a guy with more experience, more expertise and more cred than you will EVER have on this board even if you are here the next 30 bloody years. Oh, and on top of the extensive experience I already mentioned, Doug is a recognized expert in the field of OTR truck maintenance and his publications are nationally recognized in Australia. I know, because I have one of his bloody books!
You've just done the BITOG equivalent of telling Sabine Schmitz that she doesn't know anything about race cars and she needs to use the search function while the sum of your experience in that realm is E-brake sliding your mom's minivan in a Best Buy parking lot.
Congratulations!
I must say this is the funniest thing I have read in a while. I will tell you this. Your oil god you bow to has not run it in a E-TEC II motor where it showed instant clatter and rough idle and poor fully warmed up performance. I have. Would you use that oil again, no matter the brand? Would you run it 30,000 miles because someone online says its normal for a superior oil to exhibit such traits? Heck no. Then when people come here and post [censored] man, yall said this iis the oil the gods use, why is my car so noisy now, drink the oil and run rough. Then the fans come in with run it for 20,000-30,000 miles. Yeah right. Somehow it will smooth out after 30,000 miles. Say what? All that tells me is hey man, let the sludge build up so it can dampen the noise. No way 30,000 miles of a noisy oil will magicaly get more quiet as you use it.
The real trolls are the ones handing out faulty advice to keep filling the motor with it. That is some seriously flawed advice. Also observe I never tell anyone to use my brand because the high iron in a UOA is normal in superior oil, the consumtion is more than normal over your old fill and the noise will become normal to you over time. I have only said use what works best in your application. If M1 works fine for you with extra noise and consumption then good for you. Not for me. (I am talking about me, not you)
Just get it through your head. I will bow, I will not convert. My Harley told me it likes VR1 best, so I use it. The Primary and trans told me to use Formula+. so I use that. CHM runs better in the car than M1 does, so I use it. It will never go in the truck. I wont risk the wasted money on it from hearing it in similar trucks that are used for working and not to go to starbucks for a half caf no milk latte as the heaviest load it will haul.
Some people prefer personal experience for the choices they make over what a fan club says on the internet. Nothing wrong with that. It is obvious the OP has an issue with the performance of M1, the fan boys say no way, its the best ever, dont use anything else it will hurt my (your) feelings. Who cares, its his truck, more than likely it will run better on something else.
FWIW, we had a D-TEC engine (same as the E-TEC) in a 2001 Daewoo Leganza with under 100,000 miles on it and even with regular maintenance (oil changes in less than 5,000 miles, sometimes with synthetic) the rods started knocking horribly before we eventually unloaded it for a fraction of what we paid. I think those engines are just pretty garbage, IMO.
I've never noticed a difference in engine noise/vibrations/performance between oils in any engine I've ever maintained.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: DustyBones
Just a guess here, but you lack the basic ability to use the search function here.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2233731
Put the little pointer thingy over that link and click on it. Maybe I should tell you its the newest koolaid link. You seem to be a keep the forum guys happy and use M1 at any cost kinda fellas.
Look in the comments of elevated wear.
Then come back with why so many fans of that oil say deal with it, run it a,few OCIs, dont worry about the extea noise, it dont cause wear, ignore the UOA that confirms you believe that noise may be wearing the engine, dont worry about that quart you lost after 3,000 miles, superior oils have these characteristics, the guys online told me so. Now that is what I call trolling.
So use the search function here and read all the my car started drinking oil, makes more noise, shows more wear on UOA threads right here when people try a fill of it. Then look at the rediculous excuses people make to try and convince people to keep filling the motor with it. It is almost comical.
Doug is too polite to call you on it but that isn't going to stop me here. YOU obviously failed with the search function.
In case you missed it: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/engine-oil-analysis/
Was written by the same guy who you just openly flamed and said can't use the search function. I'll go out on a limb and bet that Doug has more oil analysis experience in the last 30 minutes than you'll accrue in your lifetime.
I'd also argue he has more experience with lubricants in general than the collective of everybody else in this thread, covering tens of millions of Km's of real world testing working WITH OEM's AND various lubricant manufacturers INCLUDING Castrol(BP), SOPUS and ExxonMobil.
You've just done the most epic troll of all. You called out a guy with more experience, more expertise and more cred than you will EVER have on this board even if you are here the next 30 bloody years. Oh, and on top of the extensive experience I already mentioned, Doug is a recognized expert in the field of OTR truck maintenance and his publications are nationally recognized in Australia. I know, because I have one of his bloody books!
You've just done the BITOG equivalent of telling Sabine Schmitz that she doesn't know anything about race cars and she needs to use the search function while the sum of your experience in that realm is E-brake sliding your mom's minivan in a Best Buy parking lot.
Congratulations!
I must say this is the funniest thing I have read in a while. I will tell you this. Your oil god you bow to has not run it in a E-TEC II motor where it showed instant clatter and rough idle and poor fully warmed up performance. I have. Would you use that oil again, no matter the brand? Would you run it 30,000 miles because someone online says its normal for a superior oil to exhibit such traits? Heck no. Then when people come here and post [censored] man, yall said this iis the oil the gods use, why is my car so noisy now, drink the oil and run rough. Then the fans come in with run it for 20,000-30,000 miles. Yeah right. Somehow it will smooth out after 30,000 miles. Say what? All that tells me is hey man, let the sludge build up so it can dampen the noise. No way 30,000 miles of a noisy oil will magicaly get more quiet as you use it.
The real trolls are the ones handing out faulty advice to keep filling the motor with it. That is some seriously flawed advice. Also observe I never tell anyone to use my brand because the high iron in a UOA is normal in superior oil, the consumtion is more than normal over your old fill and the noise will become normal to you over time. I have only said use what works best in your application. If M1 works fine for you with extra noise and consumption then good for you. Not for me. (I am talking about me, not you)
Just get it through your head. I will bow, I will not convert. My Harley told me it likes VR1 best, so I use it. The Primary and trans told me to use Formula+. so I use that. CHM runs better in the car than M1 does, so I use it. It will never go in the truck. I wont risk the wasted money on it from hearing it in similar trucks that are used for working and not to go to starbucks for a half caf no milk latte as the heaviest load it will haul.
Some people prefer personal experience for the choices they make over what a fan club says on the internet. Nothing wrong with that. It is obvious the OP has an issue with the performance of M1, the fan boys say no way, its the best ever, dont use anything else it will hurt my (your) feelings. Who cares, its his truck, more than likely it will run better on something else.
FWIW, we had a D-TEC engine (same as the E-TEC) in a 2001 Daewoo Leganza with under 100,000 miles on it and even with regular maintenance (oil changes in less than 5,000 miles, sometimes with synthetic) the rods started knocking horribly before we eventually unloaded it for a fraction of what we paid. I think those engines are just pretty garbage, IMO.
I've never noticed a difference in engine noise/vibrations/performance between oils in any engine I've ever maintained.
