Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
As someone who has done too many miles over the years with never a issue and got into the board way too deep I've done quite a bit of UOAs in the same engine, same operation with different oils.
I've posted them here and everytime the conventional oils did just as good to better than syn in my motors. This includes engines that see 90% short trips to 95% highway.
When you post the UOAs that show the data, you get the following respones;
1. You can not trust a $20 UOA
2. Its because of your operation
3. Its because of your engine brand (Ford, Toyota, Chevy and Dodge are the brands I've posted)
Then as soon as their oil shows a good report, its the best oil in the world.
So, I've given up. I've spent more $$ in UOAs here than I've paid for oil in the last 20 years. I've been called "untruthful" even though I'm not here to sell anything or justify my $$ spent on oils.
So, bottom line for me who has run syn, conventional, normal and extended OCIs? Conventional oil for the recommended OCI per the manual.
If your manual states you NEED syn, excellent. Use it.
There is a difference between NEED and WANT.
But don't think that just because you use the "better" (not my opinion) oil that you will make the magic high mileage number.
Today's oils are excellent. (like Buster says, most conventional oils have some syn in them is correct) If we can get 200k plus on yesterdays oils, today it will NOT be the oil that caused a problem.
Take care, bill
PS: Also all of the reasons you see posted here on why they run syn (ie, smoother, better MPG, cooler running (one poster said his temps under the hood dropped..) I have not seen in a H4, V6, I4 or V8 of different brands in my or families use.
LOL we all have to love Bill for his views on things, here is his first post back in the day, hope this brings mamaries! LOL
Quote:
Bill in Utah Offline
Registered: 11/11/02
Posts: 4316
Loc: Ut
Hi, First post on the board.
I've been reading the posts and decided to have the oil checked in my well run 1999 Ford Taurus wagon. It's got the 3.0 l v-6 12 valve motor and driven 50 miles one way non stop on the freeway and oil changed every 3000 miles (never make the 3 months).
Terry emailed me the following; (Hopefully it lines up ok)
Dyson Analysis
Oil Brand/Weight : Pennzoil 5w30 SL Type
Equipment : Ford Taurus Miles/Hours on oil : 3100 Total Miles/Hours : 62600
Results ppm/% Comments (blank=normal)
Wear
Copper 2
Iron 6
Chromium 0
Lead 4
Aluminum 2
Silicon 7
Tin 1
Additives
Molybdenum 71 Unusually high, everybody is using now
Sodium 61 glycol residue
Magnesium 12
Zinc 868
Potassium 2 possible glycol residue
Phosphorus 697
Calcium 1740
Physical Properties
Water negative
Fuel negative
Antifreeze POSITIVE Contamination,repair possible head leak
Soot 0
Oxidation 18 low ,good 9%
Nitration 32 low ,good 16.50%
Sulfur 10 fuel sulfur,low
TBN 5 average,beginning to deplete due to gly
Vis@100 C 14.6 40w,glycol antifreeze is thickening the oil
Final Comments : Alert ! coolant leak, get checked for internal head leak. If checks out OK then sample was contaminated with antifreeze or
glycol. Wear #'s are good, oil is beginning to thicken because of contamination.Should be in 9.3 to 12.5 cSt range to be 30w.
Oil will not hold up much longer before gelling. Contact me with results of leak test and ask any
questions.
Terry
Am in Contact with Ford and my Local Ford dealer to see what they think. They are going to run a test to see if the coolant has any gases in it.
Ford has had some serious headgasket leaks on their 3.8l and I thought that the 3.0l V-6 was not a problem child. Looks like it is.
I've had a few people wonder why I'd spend $25 to check out the oil change that cost under $10.
Above is the reason... I may have caught something before it does some serious damage.
Thanks for the help and any comments.
Excellent board!
Bill
you just have to laugh the guy struggles so much to prove a point.
He don't even get paid for it
if he never paid for the first UOA he never would of solved the problem he never really had
I get so dizzy reading his post
As someone who has done too many miles over the years with never a issue and got into the board way too deep I've done quite a bit of UOAs in the same engine, same operation with different oils.
I've posted them here and everytime the conventional oils did just as good to better than syn in my motors. This includes engines that see 90% short trips to 95% highway.
When you post the UOAs that show the data, you get the following respones;
1. You can not trust a $20 UOA
2. Its because of your operation
3. Its because of your engine brand (Ford, Toyota, Chevy and Dodge are the brands I've posted)
Then as soon as their oil shows a good report, its the best oil in the world.
So, I've given up. I've spent more $$ in UOAs here than I've paid for oil in the last 20 years. I've been called "untruthful" even though I'm not here to sell anything or justify my $$ spent on oils.
So, bottom line for me who has run syn, conventional, normal and extended OCIs? Conventional oil for the recommended OCI per the manual.
If your manual states you NEED syn, excellent. Use it.
There is a difference between NEED and WANT.
But don't think that just because you use the "better" (not my opinion) oil that you will make the magic high mileage number.
Today's oils are excellent. (like Buster says, most conventional oils have some syn in them is correct) If we can get 200k plus on yesterdays oils, today it will NOT be the oil that caused a problem.
Take care, bill
PS: Also all of the reasons you see posted here on why they run syn (ie, smoother, better MPG, cooler running (one poster said his temps under the hood dropped..) I have not seen in a H4, V6, I4 or V8 of different brands in my or families use.
LOL we all have to love Bill for his views on things, here is his first post back in the day, hope this brings mamaries! LOL
Quote:
Bill in Utah Offline
Registered: 11/11/02
Posts: 4316
Loc: Ut
Hi, First post on the board.
I've been reading the posts and decided to have the oil checked in my well run 1999 Ford Taurus wagon. It's got the 3.0 l v-6 12 valve motor and driven 50 miles one way non stop on the freeway and oil changed every 3000 miles (never make the 3 months).
Terry emailed me the following; (Hopefully it lines up ok)
Dyson Analysis
Oil Brand/Weight : Pennzoil 5w30 SL Type
Equipment : Ford Taurus Miles/Hours on oil : 3100 Total Miles/Hours : 62600
Results ppm/% Comments (blank=normal)
Wear
Copper 2
Iron 6
Chromium 0
Lead 4
Aluminum 2
Silicon 7
Tin 1
Additives
Molybdenum 71 Unusually high, everybody is using now
Sodium 61 glycol residue
Magnesium 12
Zinc 868
Potassium 2 possible glycol residue
Phosphorus 697
Calcium 1740
Physical Properties
Water negative
Fuel negative
Antifreeze POSITIVE Contamination,repair possible head leak
Soot 0
Oxidation 18 low ,good 9%
Nitration 32 low ,good 16.50%
Sulfur 10 fuel sulfur,low
TBN 5 average,beginning to deplete due to gly
Vis@100 C 14.6 40w,glycol antifreeze is thickening the oil
Final Comments : Alert ! coolant leak, get checked for internal head leak. If checks out OK then sample was contaminated with antifreeze or
glycol. Wear #'s are good, oil is beginning to thicken because of contamination.Should be in 9.3 to 12.5 cSt range to be 30w.
Oil will not hold up much longer before gelling. Contact me with results of leak test and ask any
questions.
Terry
Am in Contact with Ford and my Local Ford dealer to see what they think. They are going to run a test to see if the coolant has any gases in it.
Ford has had some serious headgasket leaks on their 3.8l and I thought that the 3.0l V-6 was not a problem child. Looks like it is.
I've had a few people wonder why I'd spend $25 to check out the oil change that cost under $10.
Above is the reason... I may have caught something before it does some serious damage.
Thanks for the help and any comments.
Excellent board!
Bill
you just have to laugh the guy struggles so much to prove a point.
He don't even get paid for it
if he never paid for the first UOA he never would of solved the problem he never really had
I get so dizzy reading his post
