Differential FLuid e46 m3 question.

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Just bought a 2002 e46 m3 and I am experiencing the classic differential whine when turning at slow speeds. According to the forums, this will be eliminated by running the OEM BMW AF-XJ + FM (friction modifier) Booster 75 W 140. Link! The problem is, it is around $50 dollars per .5l and require 3 to get the job done. Are there any other differential fluids that would be a good substitute for the OEM fluid? I believe it is made by Castrol, but I have not had any luck finding it cheaper under another brand.

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Any full synthetic 75w140 will work. Add a bottle of LSD additive and go from there.
 
My reading of this is that the noise is caused by not having the right amount and type of friction modifier. If you DIY, you should have your pick of synthetic diff fluids but it might take some experimentation to get the mix just right.

The OEM stuff is pre-mixed for you. It's Castrol SAF-XJ (apparently one of the best diff fluids on the market), plus exactly the right amount of exactly the right kind of friction modifier already mixed in by BMW.

Here's one thing to keep in mind: there are plenty of other 75w-140 gear oils that carry the GL-5 rating, but there's a LOT more to an oil than its viscosity grade. If you do find a substitute, you might not be able to run it as long before you have to change it, or its performance might degrade sooner. Or, it could be better. But there is so little good data available right now that there would be no way to tell in advance.

For this car, using the OEM stuff is generally the best way to guarantee that the car will perform as intended. You should have considerably more leeway for the diff fluid, but remember that diff fluid is changed so infrequently that the cost of OEM fluids isn't so bad over the lifetime of the car. Just a thought.

Good luck!
 
My E30 318i has an LSD, and it has a smaller case so is more prone to whine. Ive tried redline without success. The only thing that has worked as well or better than OE is Specialty Formulations which IIRC was roughly a 75w-110, and they do not make it anymore...
 
Anything wrong with having it whine? I can overlook it as long as its not hurting the differential. If there is nothing wrong with it, I will just run Motul or some other high end 75w140. People on the mforum's seem way to anal about running OEM fluids. They bash the [censored] out of redlines motor oil, and I know it is good stuff from what I have read on here.
 
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Originally Posted By: unDummy
Any full synthetic 75w140 will work. Add a bottle of LSD additive and go from there.



This should solve the cost problem, by a good margin!
It is also as good a bet for 'curing' the noise problem as the factory stuff.
 
Originally Posted By: BoleCailey
Anything wrong with having it whine? I can overlook it as long as its not hurting the differential.

Possibly. It depends. If the whine is coming from the fluid shearing or the friction modifiers breaking down somehow, then that could have very bad implications in the long term.


Originally Posted By: BoleCailey
If there is nothing wrong with it, I will just run Motul or some other high end 75w140.

That should be fine as long as you either make sure it has friction modifiers for a limited-slip differential already mixed in, or buy the friction modifier separately and mix it in yourself.

Motul Gear Comp FF might do well for you.



Originally Posted By: BoleCailey
People on the mforum's seem way to anal about running OEM fluids. They bash the [censored] out of redlines motor oil, and I know it is good stuff from what I have read on here.

Yes, they do get out of hand sometimes. I think the Red Line thing is kind of overblown because a few people used the wrong fluid (which happened to be from Red Line) in their transmissions and had issues.

However, it's always worth remembering that your car (unlike, say, mine) is not just a hopped-up 3-series, nor is it simply a pick-and-mix of "better" parts from the BMW parts bin. It is comprehensively engineered and a LOT more highly developed. BMW took a lot of time to get a lot of things exactly right. Aftermarket substitutes are a gamble that most owners are quite understandably unwilling to take, and most of them -- not all, but most -- tend to be worse than OEM.

As a quick aside, the above is especially true of the engine oil: Castrol TWS was developed by Castrol and BMW specifically for BMW M engines, including yours, and is a derivative of one of the best and most successful lubricants ever made. How can anyone beat that, let alone a small company like Red Line -- let alone in a product that they are offering at a lower price, despite much lower economies of scale?

So, yes, they take it too far on the forums, and most people don't have the info to back up what they're saying. However, there definitely are reasons to stick with OEM for this car, at least for most things.

That's the catch with the E46 M3: it's the only car for remotely the same price that does everything so well, but it offers less latitude than its competitors in terms of operating and maintaining it. Porsches, Mercedes AMG cars, and some Audis come relatively close to the M3's capabilities, while letting you run lubricants that you can quite easily cross-shop and buy from a wide variety of stores. Food for thought.
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You can follow the Pied Piper or do your own thing.

Redline, Amsoil, Mobil 1... are three that I'd recommend.
 
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
That's the catch with the E46 M3: it's the only car for remotely the same price that does everything so well, but it offers less latitude than its competitors in terms of operating and maintaining it. Porsches, Mercedes AMG cars, and some Audis come relatively close to the M3's capabilities, while letting you run lubricants that you can quite easily cross-shop and buy from a wide variety of stores. Food for thought.
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Dont forget the 135i
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Originally Posted By: BoleCailey
Anything wrong with having it whine? I can overlook it as long as its not hurting the differential. If there is nothing wrong with it, I will just run Motul or some other high end 75w140. People on the mforum's seem way to anal about running OEM fluids. They bash the [censored] out of redlines motor oil, and I know it is good stuff from what I have read on here.


For my 318i, it would get more and more annoying. The redline would get progressively louder it seemed. Not sure why, and I dont note it with the SF.

Ditto for MTF. Redline was great at the start, but shift quality degraded faster with it than with the amsoil.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
For my 318i, it would get more and more annoying. The redline would get progressively louder it seemed. Not sure why, and I dont note it with the SF.

Ditto for MTF. Redline was great at the start, but shift quality degraded faster with it than with the amsoil.

I experienced the same thing with Red Line transmission and diff fluids in my car as well, and heard similar stories from others.
 
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