well you wouldn't suck the oil up into your mouth, it would stay a good 6" down.
DIFFERENT OILS AND NO FILTER ON ENGINE
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Update on oil analysis for my escort.
Here was my last set of #'s for the 15w40 molybond. I had a total of 9442 miles at the time I sampled and changed to the 5w30 mineral oil which is currently due anytime.
Here was my last set of #'s for the 15w40 molybond. I had a total of 9442 miles at the time I sampled and changed to the 5w30 mineral oil which is currently due anytime.
MolaKule
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It appears from this analysis that the 15W40 blend from the 10,000+ run had a different formulation than did the 4,022 mile run.
Actually I had put neutra in the oil and also ran the dog out of it and was one qt low at time of sample. Also, ran neutra in the gas during that run.
Also that sample was taken on 7/8/02 so that may have been an older batch of ch 4 and not ci?
[ May 27, 2003, 07:39 PM: Message edited by: BOBISTHEOILGUY ]
Also that sample was taken on 7/8/02 so that may have been an older batch of ch 4 and not ci?
[ May 27, 2003, 07:39 PM: Message edited by: BOBISTHEOILGUY ]
Bob or Terry
I noticed that you used the "brew" that Terry is testing
Your quote before the last oil change.
"I had used the LC oil treatment one time a 2ounces? and about 3 ounces of 132"
Terry noted in his report that he could not determine any affect of this "brew" in this sample. This sort of surprises me and I guess I would have attributed some of the good of this analysis to the two additives used! Wonder what he would have been looking for.
Are you going to continue trying it? I have just placed it in two engines as well
although not from the oil change interval but half way through, will next time
The use of fuel additves seems to increase the lead level. I don't understand this. Is the lead from wear? Where is the lead coming from if not from bearings by using the additive. If true would this not be a reason to discontinue the fuel additives. I just realized that in my cars I have high lead most of the time, is the Amsoil PI causing the higher lead?
[ May 27, 2003, 07:53 PM: Message edited by: Spector ]
I noticed that you used the "brew" that Terry is testing
Your quote before the last oil change.
"I had used the LC oil treatment one time a 2ounces? and about 3 ounces of 132"
Terry noted in his report that he could not determine any affect of this "brew" in this sample. This sort of surprises me and I guess I would have attributed some of the good of this analysis to the two additives used! Wonder what he would have been looking for.
Are you going to continue trying it? I have just placed it in two engines as well
although not from the oil change interval but half way through, will next time
The use of fuel additves seems to increase the lead level. I don't understand this. Is the lead from wear? Where is the lead coming from if not from bearings by using the additive. If true would this not be a reason to discontinue the fuel additives. I just realized that in my cars I have high lead most of the time, is the Amsoil PI causing the higher lead?
[ May 27, 2003, 07:53 PM: Message edited by: Spector ]
Spector,
I used the lc/132 and fp only the one time when I had left st Louis and did not use any other time. The reason Terry didn't see any kind of difference was due to the fact I didn't use every 1000 miles but only at the beginning and one time during the 4k mile trial. That was it, so IMO, it really didn't have any concern-able effect on this analysis. I have not used any additive in these samples other than stated, with the exception of the 131 neutra fuel additive in the fuel.
[ May 27, 2003, 08:00 PM: Message edited by: BOBISTHEOILGUY ]
I used the lc/132 and fp only the one time when I had left st Louis and did not use any other time. The reason Terry didn't see any kind of difference was due to the fact I didn't use every 1000 miles but only at the beginning and one time during the 4k mile trial. That was it, so IMO, it really didn't have any concern-able effect on this analysis. I have not used any additive in these samples other than stated, with the exception of the 131 neutra fuel additive in the fuel.
[ May 27, 2003, 08:00 PM: Message edited by: BOBISTHEOILGUY ]
Bob
Now that the Micron Moly has gone out of grade. Have you considered going back to the blend along with the Fram.
This would allow us to see if the Micron Moly was getting that free ride Terry mentioned.
Now that the Micron Moly has gone out of grade. Have you considered going back to the blend along with the Fram.
This would allow us to see if the Micron Moly was getting that free ride Terry mentioned.
I've been running the schaeffers 5w30 mineral oil since I changed this over. Mark came down here and wanted my sample pump and I thought I was a little over so I took a sample prematurely thinking I was over. Anyway, sample is sent in with about 3500 miles and will change over later but looking to change to the 5w30 blend possibly depending on the results from the 5w30 down here in this heat.
I have a couple of other things here to look at but IMO, I really don't see the mineral oil having an advantage from the blend. I extended the 15w40 moly bond to a point that what ever little advantage it might have gained from the blend would be of no consequence at this point.
I believe that the filter had a lot to do with lower wear numbers and also, I believe this is proving out that the pao in the oil hasn't provided any better wear protection than the moly bond has. Point is, additives that assist the base oil has a lot to do with the oil's ability to reduce wear. Since the blend and the mineral oil both use the same basic additive package less the pao to the blend, it shows that it isn't so much the synthetic portion keeping wear down. I'll be continuing this with the blend again. I'm looking forward to how the mineral 5w30 has done but am not holding my breath at this time.
Here's my last recent analysis. This time I had been running the #100 MICRON MOLY® ENGINE OIL SAE 5w30
I'd taken the sample a little sooner than I had intended on but thought I was over and Mark(rugerman) was in town to take my oil sample pump. Anyway, I believe this is showing even more evidence that flow is a big factor considering the wear numbers that are showing in comparision to the other samples and to go back the other way, my next analysis will be the 5w30 blend when I change out again. This will go back to showing that the base oil isn't what makes the difference but the flow and balance of the additives. Currently I'm still running the 5w30 straight mineral but will hopefully change out to the blend shortly this week. No additives or flushes have been used in this last test.
[ June 13, 2003, 07:49 PM: Message edited by: BOBISTHEOILGUY ]
I'd taken the sample a little sooner than I had intended on but thought I was over and Mark(rugerman) was in town to take my oil sample pump. Anyway, I believe this is showing even more evidence that flow is a big factor considering the wear numbers that are showing in comparision to the other samples and to go back the other way, my next analysis will be the 5w30 blend when I change out again. This will go back to showing that the base oil isn't what makes the difference but the flow and balance of the additives. Currently I'm still running the 5w30 straight mineral but will hopefully change out to the blend shortly this week. No additives or flushes have been used in this last test.
[ June 13, 2003, 07:49 PM: Message edited by: BOBISTHEOILGUY ]
yes, I suspect that the 9,900 mile previous left some residue and that maybe this oil might be picking up on that. It is one of the more inexpensive oils that schaeffers carries. Got to admit, I'm learning more everytime I do analysis on these products that the thinner oil is doing an excellent job over the thicker oil and even over the blend. But I do believe that the wear numbers would increase had I still be using the Mobil 1 filter. Next, to see how the 5w30 blend reacts to the fram filter.
Something I forgot to mention, on the 5w30 oil, you have to remember that I live in florida and the heat is quite high sometimes. Many people fear that a thinner oil will not perform as well in heat but from these reports it shows that the heat did not hurt this thinner oil as one might think.
Patman
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I don't think outside heat plays a huge factor in the performance of an oil. If you think about it, whether it's 70F outside or 100F outside, your oil temperature should not change by that much. It's not like you'll suddenly see 250F oil temps when it's 100F if you were seeing 220F oil temps when it was 70F.
Not a huge difference, no, but I think if you want the same thickness year round you need to change up and down 1 SAE grade from the coldest winter to hottest summer. If a moderate climate, no change needed.
My oil temps in winter when 80F they generally moderate at 190F. 30F difference. I.e. the difference it takes to thin to the next lower grade.
That said I still plan to run the same oil year round...
My oil temps in winter when 80F they generally moderate at 190F. 30F difference. I.e. the difference it takes to thin to the next lower grade.
That said I still plan to run the same oil year round...
Patman
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I agree Jason, the difference from an extreme winter to a hot summer often neccessitates a different viscosity. Although with a 5w30 synthetic having such good low and high temperature properties, this eliminates that viscosity change for many vehicles. I'm sure I'll have no problems whatsoever running 5w30 Schaeffer Supreme in my car, from all the way down to -10F (or lower), and all the way up to 95F (that's about as hot as it gets here)
I agree. I don't think you'll have problems either. I should have mentioned the sythetic part too, because that is why I am not switching (10w40 RL). If I was running a conventional oil, I'd probably run 10w ow 15w40 in winter and 20w50 in summer.
Patman, I would agree, you shouldn't have any problem running the Schaeffers 5w30 blend up there. With the right filter setup, I'd suspect you'll have some good results as well.
Patman
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I'm going to be running the K&N oil filter, so I should have no problems with oil flow at all. With all the full throttle driving I do, I need a very robust oil filter!
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