Differences in automotive cultures.

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For four years I've had a tire & alignment shop in rural Mexico. I thought I might bore everyone by sharing some observations and stereotypes I've made about the automotive culture here. I guess it is partially a rant, if you will. I'm interested in hearing what others have observed in other countries as well; Australia, Bolivia, England, &c., &c.

First, Mexico is often confused with Cuba, sometimes people get the idea we have lots of "Yank Tanks" here. Not true. We have always had a steady supply of automobiles here albeit they were incredibly expensive during the foreign auto embargo (1961-¿199x?). Most were run into the ground. The few that remain are equally likely to be Nissan, VW or Renault as they are to be GM, Ford, Chrysler or Rambler. The fleet here is "younger" than the U.S.'s. Cars older than 15 years are uncommon, older than 20 years downright rare. For the last ten years new cars have been incredibly affordable. Typical vehicles here are Nissan compact trucks and Nissan/VW/GM (Opel/Daewoo) subcompact cars, less than ten years old.

As you may know, the VW Type 1 air-cooled Beetle was built and sold here until 2004. A poor person would never buy, own, borrow, drive, and preferably never ride in one. They are associated with frugality, a quality rejected by the poor here. Many are owned by enthusiasts who maintain them in perfect condition, taking them to an air-cooled specialist for every little hiccup. The rest are owned by incredibly cheap loaded people, who would never go to a specialist, who go from shade tree to shade tree looking for someone to cobble their bug back together for the fewest pesos imaginable.

Datsuns are the scourge of Mexico. I'm not talking about the 210, 310/320 and 411, which are collector's items. From the 510/520 onward they are almost always in terrible condition, dragging along at the slowest speeds (15-20 mph), black and blue smoke pouring out of a Swiss cheese exhaust system, every single steering and suspension piece with at least a 1/4" of free play in it. For some reason Datsun is the make that is most often seen habitually running red stoplights. I don't know if they don't want to stall or if it is going to take them so long already to get where they're going that they don't want to be held up any further.

K-cars and derivatives have the nicest and politest owners. Exception: Caravans, Voyagers and late 90s fake Accords. It always puts a smile on my face when I see a 600, Dynasty or Shadow pulling into my driveway. I suspect a person must have outstanding patience to tolerate a K-car.

Cavaliers roll up containing the rudest, most difficult owners. Twenty years ago their extended family scraped up a huge amount of money to purchase a car slightly more expensive than a taxi chassis. Now it is disintegrating around them in a pride fueled bonfire.

Toyota and Honda are newcomers to Mexico. Owners of grey market vehicles of these two are often simply this: Arrogant. They have the best car, they never maintained it because it is the best, now it needs uber-expensive repairs, and parts are non-existent. Owners who bought new domestic market Toyotas are similar; they are arrogant, they have the best car, they don't maintain it because it is the best, some don't even get license plates for them (the cardboard "Toyota, always further" dealer plate is enough in their mind). Toyota's main clientele seems to be teachers who protest at rallies and small town mayors.

Versa and A4 Jetta drivers are generally rude, a modern day repetition of the Cavalier phenomenon, but only about a tenth as bad. They scraped up just enough money amongst their extended family to buy something more expensive than a taxi chassis, and they want to announce it. Incidentally the A4 Jetta is currently the best selling car here, starting at $13,595 with all taxes already payed except license plates.

//End Rant//
 
All of the shuttles and taxi's I saw in Playa del Carmen were Nissan and even the van's were manual trans too. It was awesome, but the CD the taxi driver was listening to, was not...
 
I would think with the climate, there would be a glut of much older cars than what you indicate. Is it just that the populace doens't want to be seen in an older car?

The list of affordable cars you give, are they mostly manufactured in Mexico thus making them affordable?
 
A lot of that is probably regional too, since you are south of Mexico City. There's probably a greater number of platforms common to the US if you go further north, like Monterrey.
 
Originally Posted By: Cardenio327
...They are associated with frugality, a quality rejected by the poor here.


I find it amusing that the "poor" are seen as rejecting frugality. Guess that explains why they are poor.
 
Originally Posted By: Cardenio327

K-cars and derivatives have the nicest and politest owners. Exception: Caravans, Voyagers and late 90s fake Accords. It always puts a smile on my face when I see a 600, Dynasty or Shadow pulling into my driveway. I suspect a person must have outstanding patience to tolerate a K-car.


Thank you for this post! This is a great insight into Mexican car culture. I personally did not think Mexico's fleet is like Cuba - I know GM, Ford and Chrysler have pretty significant sales in your country, so the only reason I would expect to see really old vehicles would be due to your weather and the lack of rust to take them off the road.

I always thought people in Mexico loved their K-cars! Count me in that camp too.
 
Uncanny how close to the mark some of those observations are when applied to those of us north of the border.
 
AAAHHHH Mexico!!! I love the place.

No smog tests. In Mexico you could purchase 4 wheel drive solid axle vehicles where the U.S. sells mostly 4 wheel drive vehicles with live front axles. I am old school.

I could go on and on. Beautiful women with a growing middle class economy. I used to vacation in Mexico every year when I was single. Truly PARADISE
 
What is funny is when the Mexican market cars migrate up to the States. When they try to register them in CA, they get rejected because they do not meet emissions standards.

I remember seeing a early 2000s Honda Accord that was not OBDII compliant, didn't have a DLC at all on the vehicle. That was when I was a student lane tech at a Smog Referee station, owner was not pleased that their new car was worth scrap metal prices.

We had a lady come in with a Mexican market ~2010 Expedition that wanted to buy a US emissions sticker because no-one would smog it. I looked under the vehicle and it didn't have catalytic converters or rear O2 sensors. The lady was screaming at us because she couldn't understand how when we order an emissions sticker from Ford we don't use a part number, just put a VIN on a form and they send us what it takes.
 
You are what you drive,if you are a K car you are low maintenance,easy to get along with,and go about your business without hoopla and excessive showmanship.You sit upright,see easily the surroundings around you,and harken back to the days when things didnt have to be as complicated and politial as they are today.
If you are a Cavalier,you are in a whole lotta trouble....
 
Originally Posted By: Cardenio327

K-cars and derivatives have the nicest and politest owners. Exception: Caravans, Voyagers and late 90s fake Accords. It always puts a smile on my face when I see a 600, Dynasty or Shadow pulling into my driveway. I suspect a person must have outstanding patience to tolerate a K-car.


LOL, about spit my coffee on the keyboard...

This observation is no doubt a classic...
 
Originally Posted By: dwcopple
, but the CD the taxi driver was listening to, was not...


Yeah, I'm having a hard time with the music too.

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The list of affordable cars you give, are they mostly manufactured in Mexico thus making them affordable?


Yes. There is still a large tariff if a car isn't assembled in Mexico or a Mercosur country.

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A lot of that is probably regional too, since you are south of Mexico City. There's probably a greater number of platforms common to the US if you go further north, like Monterrey.


Yes, in a way. There is more industry, more money in the north, so they can afford more Silverados, Malibus, Fusions, Lobos, &c. In the capital they drive subcompacts like here, easy parking, easy to drive in heavy traffic, &c.

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No smog tests. In Mexico you could purchase 4 wheel drive solid axle vehicles where the U.S. sells mostly 4 wheel drive vehicles with live front axles. I am old school.


We do have smog tests twice annually where I live, but the going rate for bribery in case the car doesn't pass is fifty pesos (about four dollars). Currently, if I'm not mistaken, the only solid axle 4x4s on the market are the Ram, the Wrangler, and maybe the Super-Duty.

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What are these fake accords you speak of?


The Stratus. No offense to Stratus owners, but their suspension has so many links, control arms, ball joints, bushings, &c. they've already beat the Accord (and are getting close to BMW levels) of complexity.
 
How many have seen the movie "The Mexican" with Brad Pitt and Julia Roberts?

I grew up around a lot of "transplanted" Mexicans back in the 70's - they were always big fans of the Chevy Impala and the Ford LTD.

While I never thought Mexico was like Cuba, I must confess how amazed I was at all the nice new cars I saw when I was in Mexico a few years back. I guess I must confess my racism, but I fully expected to see the streets loaded with 70's low riders.
 
Originally Posted By: Cardenio327
Originally Posted By: dwcopple
, but the CD the taxi driver was listening to, was not...


Yeah, I'm having a hard time with the music too.

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The list of affordable cars you give, are they mostly manufactured in Mexico thus making them affordable?


Yes. There is still a large tariff if a car isn't assembled in Mexico or a Mercosur country.

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A lot of that is probably regional too, since you are south of Mexico City. There's probably a greater number of platforms common to the US if you go further north, like Monterrey.


Yes, in a way. There is more industry, more money in the north, so they can afford more Silverados, Malibus, Fusions, Lobos, &c. In the capital they drive subcompacts like here, easy parking, easy to drive in heavy traffic, &c.

Quote:
No smog tests. In Mexico you could purchase 4 wheel drive solid axle vehicles where the U.S. sells mostly 4 wheel drive vehicles with live front axles. I am old school.


We do have smog tests twice annually where I live, but the going rate for bribery in case the car doesn't pass is fifty pesos (about four dollars). Currently, if I'm not mistaken, the only solid axle 4x4s on the market are the Ram, the Wrangler, and maybe the Super-Duty.

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What are these fake accords you speak of?


The Stratus. No offense to Stratus owners, but their suspension has so many links, control arms, ball joints, bushings, &c. they've already beat the Accord (and are getting close to BMW levels) of complexity.


Ah! I had a friend with a Stratus (well he had a breeze and a cirrus). Both of them popped control arms at one point!

I was looking at the rear brakes on my friend's 05 Accord - the rear has 5 control arms and a ball joint! Much more complex thatn my leaf sprung Cherokee
 
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
I'll bet you can get your hands on some excellent mezcals down there!


I can, I live in the heart of a mezcal region (Mixteca Baja). I just buy mezcal as a gift, though. I'm more of a bourbon and gin drinker. When I make Mexican cocktails, Don Julio white tequila is $16.50 at the liquor store or Sam's.
 
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