Difference between "ESP" and regular oils?

[badnews]

Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl

http://www.lubrizol.com/EuropeanEngineOils/default.html]

ACEA C2/C3 oils involve trade offs in respect to other oils. These tradeoffs may be detrimental to gasoline powered cars which is why you don't see them being marketed in the US. I know BMW has not approved for use in petrol cars outside a few euro countries due to formulation/quality of gasoline.





What are the trade offs ?

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: badnews
1-3 MPG is considerable ?
You could do that will an inflation of the tires

You are mesmerized by a spec
1-3 MPG is not considerable in any shape or form

Depends what the total MPG number is. 1-3 MPG on 40 would be insignificant; 1-3 MPG on 15 would be a pretty big deal.

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: badnews
What are the trade offs ?

Read the link.

Sulphated ash 0.8% or lower, phosphorus between 0.07% and 0.09%, etc.

 

[badnews]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: badnews
What are the trade offs ?

Read the link.

Sulphated ash 0.8% or lower, phosphorus between 0.07% and 0.09%, etc.


That equates to zero minus nothing in the real world

 

[d00df00d]

Don't tell us. Tell the ACEA.

 

[badnews]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Don't tell us. Tell the ACEA.


No you tell them , you seem concerned with their spec's more than anyone else

 

[badnews]

Originally Posted By: badnews
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: badnews
What are the trade offs ?

Read the link.

Sulphated ash 0.8% or lower, phosphorus between 0.07% and 0.09%, etc.


That equates to zero minus nothing in the real world


This oil meets spec 228.51

low SAPS
http://www.mobil.com/Italy-English/Lubes/PDS/glxxencvlmomobil_delvac_1_le_5w-30.pdf

And this is almost spot on Rotella T6 USA oil sorry

 

[d00df00d]

I thought we were talking about 229.51 oils.

228.51 is a different spec (higher SAPS).

 

[badnews]

how much higher ?

 

[d00df00d]

229.51 has an upper SAPS limit of 0.8% by weight.

Rotella T6 (228.31) and the Delvac 1 (228.51) have 1% SAPS by weight, which is (1-0.8)/0.8 = 25% higher than the 229.51 spec.

 

[badnews]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
229.51 has an upper SAPS limit of 0.8% by weight.

Rotella T6 (228.31) and the Delvac 1 (228.51) have 1% SAPS by weight, which is (1-0.8)/0.8 = 25% higher than the 229.51 spec.


Now you are just trolling

http://www.mobil.com/Italy-English/Lubes/PDS/glxxencvlmomobil_delvac_1_le_5w-30.pdf

I am done with you

 

[HTSS_TR]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: badnews
1-3 MPG is considerable ?
You could do that will an inflation of the tires

You are mesmerized by a spec
1-3 MPG is not considerable in any shape or form

Depends what the total MPG number is. 1-3 MPG on 40 would be insignificant; 1-3 MPG on 15 would be a pretty big deal.


+1

1 MPG of 15 is 6% improvement and it is very significant. Inflated my tires to 5-8 PSI above placard and xW20 instead of M1 0W40 only improve MPG at less than 5% on average.

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
I thought we were talking about 229.51 oils.

228.51 is a different spec (higher SAPS).


Originally Posted By: d00df00d
229.51 has an upper SAPS limit of 0.8% by weight.

Rotella T6 (228.31) and the Delvac 1 (228.51) have 1% SAPS by weight, which is (1-0.8)/0.8 = 25% higher than the 229.51 spec.

Correction: In all of these cases I should have said sulfated ash instead of SAPS. Apologies to all.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Originally Posted By: badnews
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl

http://www.lubrizol.com/EuropeanEngineOils/default.html]

ACEA C2/C3 oils involve trade offs in respect to other oils. These tradeoffs may be detrimental to gasoline powered cars which is why you don't see them being marketed in the US. I know BMW has not approved for use in petrol cars outside a few euro countries due to formulation/quality of gasoline.





What are the trade offs ?



Lower TBN for one.

 

[cheetahdriver]

i saw this oil at the last Pep Boys i was at (Dallas, TX). they had two rows of the ESP M oil. actually, that Pep Boys had the best M1 selection i had ever seen, everything but Delvac1 on the shelf.

 

[badnews]

Mobil 1 ESP
grade 5W40
viscosity 40 c = 81.1
viscosity 100 c = 13.35
HTHS 3.8
sulphated ash - 0.63
pour point -39

Shell Rotella T6
grade 5W40
viscosity 40 c -95
viscosity 100 c -15.5
HTHS -? I think it is 3.5 (not sure)
sulphated ash - 1.0
pour point - - 36