Walmart sells a diesel additive called Power Service. Can anyone tell me if this will be OK to run in a Duramax. They have three different types. They also stock a Shell brand.
Diesel Additive
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Jamn,
I have used the Power Service from WalMart in both the white and grey bottle. I recommend the grey bottle for your climate. The white has more pour point depressants and not needed unless in sub zero temp all the time. There are better diesel fuel additives on the market, but Power Service is one of the best OTC in availability and cost.
I bought 2 cases of the Shell DFA on sale and I still have all but 1 and 1/2 bottles left. My engine (PSD) really gets loud with this additive. Just my observation on this one. I have a friend that runs 6 John Deere's that may get a Christmas present.
I have used the Power Service from WalMart in both the white and grey bottle. I recommend the grey bottle for your climate. The white has more pour point depressants and not needed unless in sub zero temp all the time. There are better diesel fuel additives on the market, but Power Service is one of the best OTC in availability and cost.
I bought 2 cases of the Shell DFA on sale and I still have all but 1 and 1/2 bottles left. My engine (PSD) really gets loud with this additive. Just my observation on this one. I have a friend that runs 6 John Deere's that may get a Christmas present.
Power Service is one of the better brands of fuel additive. Nationally, amoung independent additive suppliers, Power Service is #2 and Schaeffer is #3 (and I've heard that they're soon to trade places). #1?...memory fails.
Ken
Ken
Just be sure it has no alchohol in it. Per GM, alchohol is a real no-no for the Duramax. GM has issued a TSB on additives. It can be viewed on www.dieselplace.com under the TSB section.
Thanx Roegs;
Thanx Roegs; I can't seem to get into the TSB section. It requires some special logon permission. I heard about the alcohol. That concerns me, because when running some Chevron diesel, the exhaust smell as if it contains alcohol
Wow............After reading what people have to say about the use of fuel additives (for the Duramax)in the Diesel Place forum, I'm afraid to use them, and I'm afraid not to. Would it be a safe bet to stay away from additives? I don't want to void my warranty.
Jamn
You do not need a fuel additive. If you use one, be sure to buy one where either the label or the MSDS does not list alcohol.
Ken
You do not need a fuel additive. If you use one, be sure to buy one where either the label or the MSDS does not list alcohol.
Ken
Not true Ken. Both gasoline and in specific diesel should have an additive placed by the average consumer.
Now, will the vehicle still run? Sure.
Will it wear parts and life too soon? Yes.
Would you please explain your reason why Diesel fuel does not to be treated? Why people that own them do not NEED them, when in fact it is needed and will be necessary for the person who plans on keeping the diesel a long trouble-free life. Please explain why the newer fuels which are going to be the standard very shortly - - why they DO (they don't) properly protect things like injectors and pumps and upper cyl.'s ????
Explain, please! Anyone! Please someone explain why Diesel fuel, in specific to the newer ones comming on the scene, and in general to the older ones, why they are protecting and why there is no need ????
[ November 27, 2003, 02:32 PM: Message edited by: Robbie Alexander ]
Now, will the vehicle still run? Sure.
Will it wear parts and life too soon? Yes.
Would you please explain your reason why Diesel fuel does not to be treated? Why people that own them do not NEED them, when in fact it is needed and will be necessary for the person who plans on keeping the diesel a long trouble-free life. Please explain why the newer fuels which are going to be the standard very shortly - - why they DO (they don't) properly protect things like injectors and pumps and upper cyl.'s ????
Explain, please! Anyone! Please someone explain why Diesel fuel, in specific to the newer ones comming on the scene, and in general to the older ones, why they are protecting and why there is no need ????
[ November 27, 2003, 02:32 PM: Message edited by: Robbie Alexander ]
The lower sulfer stuff and the winter blends are lower in lubricating .
Here's the spec sheet for ultra low sulfur diesel fuel from one small refinery: http://www.usor.com/pdfs/specs/lpd/finished/ULSDspec.pdf
Note that a lubricity specification is listed. The removal of the sulfur also causes the removal of some aromatic compounds that provide some of the lubricity. If necessary, the refinery may add a lubricity additive to the fuel. There are two different tests for fuel lubricity, and I don't know if the industry has yet agreed on which spec, however lubricity is considered.
RobbieAlexander,
I feel that certain additives added by the consumer may be a benefit, but none are needed. And, certain additives are a waste of money or do damage. Very long term there may be a benefit. Short term there may be an economy benefit. Lots of folks run many, many miles reliably with pump fuel.
Here's lots of good fuel info--both have sections on the additives added at the refinery:
http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/bulletin/motorgas/
http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/bulletin/diesel/
Ken
Note that a lubricity specification is listed. The removal of the sulfur also causes the removal of some aromatic compounds that provide some of the lubricity. If necessary, the refinery may add a lubricity additive to the fuel. There are two different tests for fuel lubricity, and I don't know if the industry has yet agreed on which spec, however lubricity is considered.
RobbieAlexander,
I feel that certain additives added by the consumer may be a benefit, but none are needed. And, certain additives are a waste of money or do damage. Very long term there may be a benefit. Short term there may be an economy benefit. Lots of folks run many, many miles reliably with pump fuel.
Here's lots of good fuel info--both have sections on the additives added at the refinery:
http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/bulletin/motorgas/
http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/bulletin/diesel/
Ken
The ones of 10-20 years ago... a few years back due to EPA regs the stuff was changed and now it is going to be kicked into high gear... they already have companies in Tex. shipping to Fla. and often times the fuel is in poor shape here and by the time it gets there about 3-4 weeks later into the pumpstations, it has already degraded to below that of a passable fuel...
The older method although it contained Lube naturally there, was still short of ideal, but also in point it got you by, but the new prosess of severe processing the fueloils, removes the lube value and the injectors, pumps and such all suffer.....
It was bad enough when they'd mix 1&2 or whatever with each other, but this new refining method because of the EPA, really will cause anyone that uses the new fuel, and one day it will be everywhere, it will cause everyone to NEED an additive. I say why wait, it was already needed... not it is a MUST... but hey, Don't believe me, place your head in the sand, believe any hype you hear, and have a good day!
Yup, but there are other natural problems with the low sulfer than just lube... it helps in the aid of absorbing and hiding water-- always a good thing, right? anyway this will then aid more microbes --- so think of hot areas like Texas that say like Houston, have a problem with the moisture already... whew, even more so.
As opposed to gasoline, doesn't diesel fuel inheriently contain a certain amount of lubricating properties and for the lack of a better term, wax, that helps in lubrication of cylinder walls especially ? At least that's whay I've been led to believe.
Drew
Drew
My brother started working for a contractor who is something of a jack-of-all trades. He does some construction work as well as trucking.
My brother just started hauling diesel, filling up various service stations in this area. He told me that it was up to the manager to specify the mix betwen 1 & 2 and some do not cut their fuel oil in the winter months at all. He knows we just got the use of a diesel tractor for the winter and warned me to do something to prevent gelling.
The tractor is a John Deere M430 (?) with a snowblower attachment and a heated cab.
So, I'm using Power Service (white bottle) with (hopefully) fresh fuel. Am considering using it at double strength (recommended for certain conditions) to maximize low-temp operation. The vehicle is NOT being kept in a heated space, unfortunately.
--- Bror Jace
My brother just started hauling diesel, filling up various service stations in this area. He told me that it was up to the manager to specify the mix betwen 1 & 2 and some do not cut their fuel oil in the winter months at all. He knows we just got the use of a diesel tractor for the winter and warned me to do something to prevent gelling.
The tractor is a John Deere M430 (?) with a snowblower attachment and a heated cab.
So, I'm using Power Service (white bottle) with (hopefully) fresh fuel. Am considering using it at double strength (recommended for certain conditions) to maximize low-temp operation. The vehicle is NOT being kept in a heated space, unfortunately.
--- Bror Jace
WHy -- you dhould do a test... a freezer test...quote:
Originally posted by Bror Jace:
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So, I'm using Power Service (white bottle) with (hopefully) fresh fuel. Am considering using it at double strength (recommended for certain conditions) to maximize low-temp operation. The vehicle is NOT being kept in a heated space, unfortunately.
--- Bror Jace
Have a properly treated amount at normal dosages, have one at 1.5
then one at 2.0 times
place in a vial (testtube - medical or cigar)
even better with a therm inside...
SEE if any Clouds up or gets hard...
I have tried Stanadyne and Amsoils additive as well as Power Service. I have settled on Amsoil for my powerstroke. Amsoil was the only one to quiet down the #8 injector noise. Don't know why, maybe coincidence.
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