Did you switch from PC to Mac or vice versa?
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I have always used PC's and always will, lol
We should probably differentiate between the hardware and the operating system.
I can't stand working in non-Unix operating systems, so I run Linux on a PC. That said, I still need to use Adobe Creative Suite, so I keep Macs around, too.
I have been very frustrated with Apple's hardware lately, so for my next computer I am considering running Windows 7 inside a VMWare environment for Adobe CS. I already do that with Windows 2000 for some small applications.
I can't stand working in non-Unix operating systems, so I run Linux on a PC. That said, I still need to use Adobe Creative Suite, so I keep Macs around, too.
I have been very frustrated with Apple's hardware lately, so for my next computer I am considering running Windows 7 inside a VMWare environment for Adobe CS. I already do that with Windows 2000 for some small applications.
Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
I have always used PC's and always will, lol
This ^
I NEVER have issues with any of my PC's,so what works,is good for me!
I have always used PC's and always will, lol
This ^
I NEVER have issues with any of my PC's,so what works,is good for me!
I use both at work, could live with either one as long as what I do works well in it. Both OSes on Mac hardware because of company policy.
What I could not stand is using Parallel Desktop or Boot Camp for Windows on a Mac, because:
1) No Print Screen button on the smaller keyboard or laptop, you may not care but I use it at least 2 times a day to capture screenshot.
2) Single button (or faux dual button that's not reliable), I throw the Apple mouse away and bought myself a 2 button mouse, works fine now.
3) Parallel Desktop only: does not mount all the harddrive as permanently connected drive than remote connect drive. This prevent you from putting the swap file in the non Windows partition.
What I could not stand is using Parallel Desktop or Boot Camp for Windows on a Mac, because:
1) No Print Screen button on the smaller keyboard or laptop, you may not care but I use it at least 2 times a day to capture screenshot.
2) Single button (or faux dual button that's not reliable), I throw the Apple mouse away and bought myself a 2 button mouse, works fine now.
3) Parallel Desktop only: does not mount all the harddrive as permanently connected drive than remote connect drive. This prevent you from putting the swap file in the non Windows partition.
I used a mac from 84 to 96 and pc at work from 88 to 2009. I still have more than a dozen windows based machines in my company, but my wife and I switched to macs in 2009. Nothing beats this MacBook pro (except maybe the newer models). I still use the windows machines occasionally or show an employee how to do something on them, but nothing beats the mac.
I used PC's from 1995 until about 2005, at which point I switched to a MacBook Pro for professional work (video and audio production, photo and graphic design) and Linux (first Ubuntu, then Debian, now Arch) for personal computing.
Originally Posted By: Stu_Rock
I can't stand working in non-Unix operating systems, so I run Linux on a PC. That said, I still need to use Adobe Creative Suite, so I keep Macs around, too.
Mac OS is a fully POSIX-compliant UNIX, Linux is not: it is a UNIX work-alike and shares zero code with UNIX.
Originally Posted By: Stu_Rock
I can't stand working in non-Unix operating systems, so I run Linux on a PC. That said, I still need to use Adobe Creative Suite, so I keep Macs around, too.
Mac OS is a fully POSIX-compliant UNIX, Linux is not: it is a UNIX work-alike and shares zero code with UNIX.
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Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
I used PC's from 1995 until about 2005, at which point I switched to a MacBook Pro for professional work (video and audio production, photo and graphic design) and Linux (first Ubuntu, then Debian, now Arch) for personal computing.
Originally Posted By: Stu_Rock
I can't stand working in non-Unix operating systems, so I run Linux on a PC. That said, I still need to use Adobe Creative Suite, so I keep Macs around, too.
Mac OS is a fully POSIX-compliant UNIX, Linux is not: it is a UNIX work-alike and shares zero code with UNIX.
MacOS/Darwin is based on FreeBSD. And they've done a very good job with it. Yes, it is definitely "more UNIX" than Linux is.
I used PC's from 1995 until about 2005, at which point I switched to a MacBook Pro for professional work (video and audio production, photo and graphic design) and Linux (first Ubuntu, then Debian, now Arch) for personal computing.
Originally Posted By: Stu_Rock
I can't stand working in non-Unix operating systems, so I run Linux on a PC. That said, I still need to use Adobe Creative Suite, so I keep Macs around, too.
Mac OS is a fully POSIX-compliant UNIX, Linux is not: it is a UNIX work-alike and shares zero code with UNIX.
MacOS/Darwin is based on FreeBSD. And they've done a very good job with it. Yes, it is definitely "more UNIX" than Linux is.
I use both PCs and Macs. For many years I used mainly Macs at home (PCs at work) but I mainly use PCs now. I still have my old iMac.
I like the Mac but I think Apple needs to produce an affordable desktop computer between the iMac and the Mac Pro. The Mac Pro is way too expensive and for the cost of a decent iMac a person could practically have a reasonably priced Windows gaming computer. I do not expect for Apple to produce an affordable desktop computer between the iMac and the Mac Pro however. In fact, I would not be surprised if the Mac Pro disappears. Apple is all into mobile computing now.
However, I don't like Dell, HP, etc. I prefer a custom built Windows computer. It is cheaper in the long run because you can just replace and update components.
PCs and Macs both have good and bad points but I like the compatibility of Windows computers with software and hardware.
Some people get all emotional about their choice of computer technology but it is just technology. Microsoft is a corporation. Apple is a corporation. There are people who literally hate Microsoft and Windows. I think that is illogical.
Perhaps when Steve Jobs finally leaves Apple there may possibly be an affordable desktop Apple computer (not an all-in-one like the iMac). But I think that is very unlikely.
The bottom line is it is just cheaper to go with Windows and with Windows there is better software and hardware compatibility. The only major problem is malware.
I like the Mac but I think Apple needs to produce an affordable desktop computer between the iMac and the Mac Pro. The Mac Pro is way too expensive and for the cost of a decent iMac a person could practically have a reasonably priced Windows gaming computer. I do not expect for Apple to produce an affordable desktop computer between the iMac and the Mac Pro however. In fact, I would not be surprised if the Mac Pro disappears. Apple is all into mobile computing now.
However, I don't like Dell, HP, etc. I prefer a custom built Windows computer. It is cheaper in the long run because you can just replace and update components.
PCs and Macs both have good and bad points but I like the compatibility of Windows computers with software and hardware.
Some people get all emotional about their choice of computer technology but it is just technology. Microsoft is a corporation. Apple is a corporation. There are people who literally hate Microsoft and Windows. I think that is illogical.
Perhaps when Steve Jobs finally leaves Apple there may possibly be an affordable desktop Apple computer (not an all-in-one like the iMac). But I think that is very unlikely.
The bottom line is it is just cheaper to go with Windows and with Windows there is better software and hardware compatibility. The only major problem is malware.
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Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
I have always used PC's and always will, lol
This ^
I NEVER have issues with any of my PC's,so what works,is good for me!
Same here, been using Windows since '95, and other than the 6 months I had ME on a machine, I have never had an issue.
Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
I have always used PC's and always will, lol
This ^
I NEVER have issues with any of my PC's,so what works,is good for me!
Same here, been using Windows since '95, and other than the 6 months I had ME on a machine, I have never had an issue.
uc50ic4more and Overk1ll, I am rolling my eyes at your nitpicking.
Macs are real nice but not worth the $$.
Since Apple is moving to make iPhone/iPad apps work on OS 10.7, these units are important to include in this discussion. The iPad base & the iPod Touch 32GB are the most worthwhile Apple products. These augment computing by making it easier and portable w/o breaking the bank or being tethered to an expensive contract.
Since Apple is moving to make iPhone/iPad apps work on OS 10.7, these units are important to include in this discussion. The iPad base & the iPod Touch 32GB are the most worthwhile Apple products. These augment computing by making it easier and portable w/o breaking the bank or being tethered to an expensive contract.
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Originally Posted By: Stu_Rock
uc50ic4more and Overk1ll, I am rolling my eyes at your nitpicking.
I'm not trying to nitpick. I'm just chiming in on a topic that interests me.
uc50ic4more and Overk1ll, I am rolling my eyes at your nitpicking.
I'm not trying to nitpick. I'm just chiming in on a topic that interests me.
There are certain advantages to a Mac of course. To this day there is relatively little malware that targets Macs. Will this continue? I don't know. To a large degree Macs have simply been less targeted because of much less market share, but Macs also have some design characteristics that may help prevent attacks.
I agree that Macs are more Unix like than Linux like. Linux may be great for servers but I can't stand Linux desktops. The Mac is a much more useable machine than a Linux computer.
The big issue is cost. If I was rich I would probably own a Mac Pro, but I am not rich. Apple's Aperture software is getting closer to Photoshop for allowing people to work on photographs, but I think Photoshop is still better. But if Apple actually produced a reasonably priced desktop computer and if Aperture improved greatly I would be tempted to buy a Mac.
I very much doubt however that Apple will make a reasonable priced desktop computer (other than the all in one iMac).
I agree that Macs are more Unix like than Linux like. Linux may be great for servers but I can't stand Linux desktops. The Mac is a much more useable machine than a Linux computer.
The big issue is cost. If I was rich I would probably own a Mac Pro, but I am not rich. Apple's Aperture software is getting closer to Photoshop for allowing people to work on photographs, but I think Photoshop is still better. But if Apple actually produced a reasonably priced desktop computer and if Aperture improved greatly I would be tempted to buy a Mac.
I very much doubt however that Apple will make a reasonable priced desktop computer (other than the all in one iMac).
I'm just now switching from PCs to Macintosh. I bought my 6 year old daughter a little iMac G3 on eBay a week ago. Safari 1.0 on that iMac seems to run BITOG better than IE8 on Vista (I get weird activity in the reply text boxes with IE). I'm amazed at how efficient the Mac OS is. This little iMac is a 600 MHz processor with 512 MB of RAM, and graphically, it's similar to the most modern versions of Windows. And you couldn't get the same performance out of a 600 MHz PC. And every new version of Mac OS seems to be faster on the same hardware, which is opposite (in general) from Windows.
I'm also getting to the point where I appreciate a nice design as much as gut performance, and I'm really considering a new iMac purchase to replace the Dell mini tower we have. Nothing wrong with the Dell, but I think it's just time for something different. The more I look at Mac stuff, the more I like it. Software seems to be cheaper overall, few-to-no virus issues, excellent built-in productivity software in Snow Leopard, and no endless Windows Vista/Windows 7 security updates. Ease of use is also superior in my opinion.
Back when I built computers for a hobby, I thought Macs were only for turtleneck-wearing artists. But as I've grown up and left the computer constructing hobby behind, I can more appreciate what Macintosh offers.
I'm also getting to the point where I appreciate a nice design as much as gut performance, and I'm really considering a new iMac purchase to replace the Dell mini tower we have. Nothing wrong with the Dell, but I think it's just time for something different. The more I look at Mac stuff, the more I like it. Software seems to be cheaper overall, few-to-no virus issues, excellent built-in productivity software in Snow Leopard, and no endless Windows Vista/Windows 7 security updates. Ease of use is also superior in my opinion.
Back when I built computers for a hobby, I thought Macs were only for turtleneck-wearing artists. But as I've grown up and left the computer constructing hobby behind, I can more appreciate what Macintosh offers.
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Software seems to be cheaper overall
I agree to some extend to your other points, but not this one.
Software seems to be cheaper overall
I agree to some extend to your other points, but not this one.
Vista is a turd. I have a laptop that came from the factory with Vista, I put XP on it.
As far as Windows getting slower, XP is, in fact, faster than Win 98 on the same hardware(which OS was the last 600MHz PC you used running?), and from what I've heard Windows 7 is similarly faster than Vista on the same hardware.
As far as Windows getting slower, XP is, in fact, faster than Win 98 on the same hardware(which OS was the last 600MHz PC you used running?), and from what I've heard Windows 7 is similarly faster than Vista on the same hardware.
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Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Software seems to be cheaper overall
I agree to some extend to your other points, but not this one.
What really impressed me is a copy of Snow Leopard Family Pack costs $49.99 at Best Buy. And that's the full-on version, not a "Home" or "Student" version, and you're legally able to install it on up to 5 computers. Conversely, Windows 7 will set you back $129.99 for a Family Pack of Home Premium, with 3 licenses. Heck, even the Windows Anytime Upgrade from Home Premium to Professional is 90 bucks. (I think the Home Premium Family Pack is an upgrade only also.)
Then I'm seeing MS Office, if you want to buy an office suite. Microsoft Office Home and Student 2010 is $149.99 (again, prices from Best Buy). But MS Office Home and Student for Mac is $119.99.
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Software seems to be cheaper overall
I agree to some extend to your other points, but not this one.
What really impressed me is a copy of Snow Leopard Family Pack costs $49.99 at Best Buy. And that's the full-on version, not a "Home" or "Student" version, and you're legally able to install it on up to 5 computers. Conversely, Windows 7 will set you back $129.99 for a Family Pack of Home Premium, with 3 licenses. Heck, even the Windows Anytime Upgrade from Home Premium to Professional is 90 bucks. (I think the Home Premium Family Pack is an upgrade only also.)
Then I'm seeing MS Office, if you want to buy an office suite. Microsoft Office Home and Student 2010 is $149.99 (again, prices from Best Buy). But MS Office Home and Student for Mac is $119.99.
Originally Posted By: brianl703
Vista is a turd. I have a laptop that came from the factory with Vista, I put XP on it.
I agree. I've had to "downgrade" to XP on a number of my machines that came with Vista.
Originally Posted By: brianl703
As far as Windows getting slower, XP is, in fact, faster than Win 98 on the same hardware.
I did not have that experience. I found XP to be quite a bit more sluggish.
Originally Posted By: brianl703
(which OS was the last 600MHz PC you used running?)
NT 4.0. I tried to put XP on it, but it wouldn't run it, at least not well.
Originally Posted By: brianl703
and from what I've heard Windows 7 is similarly faster than Vista on the same hardware.
I've read that as well. That would, in my experience, be a first for Microsoft (why I used "in general" in my previous post).
Vista is a turd. I have a laptop that came from the factory with Vista, I put XP on it.
I agree. I've had to "downgrade" to XP on a number of my machines that came with Vista.
Originally Posted By: brianl703
As far as Windows getting slower, XP is, in fact, faster than Win 98 on the same hardware.
I did not have that experience. I found XP to be quite a bit more sluggish.
Originally Posted By: brianl703
(which OS was the last 600MHz PC you used running?)
NT 4.0. I tried to put XP on it, but it wouldn't run it, at least not well.
Originally Posted By: brianl703
and from what I've heard Windows 7 is similarly faster than Vista on the same hardware.
I've read that as well. That would, in my experience, be a first for Microsoft (why I used "in general" in my previous post).
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