the number of new posts for auto Rx--most from almost new members
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Some have been dug back from the grave, too.
Well, regardless what is going on, people are still going to demand proof before they start buying Auto-RX. At least now there are people willing to present before and after photographs of internal engine parts. From what I have seen, I simply don't see a lot of cleaning taking place.
Some before and after photographs of internal engine parts where somebody used MMO would be interesting.
Heck, maybe some before and after photographs where somebody checked, found their engine sludged up inside, and then did several short OCIs with a synthetic oil like Mobil 1 would be interesting.
Some before and after photographs of internal engine parts where somebody used MMO would be interesting.
Heck, maybe some before and after photographs where somebody checked, found their engine sludged up inside, and then did several short OCIs with a synthetic oil like Mobil 1 would be interesting.
For a regular guy who is not working at a testing facility, who would tear down an engine for pics before and after?
Of course MMO and ARx clean things.
Of course MMO and ARx clean things.
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
For a regular guy who is not working at a testing facility, who would tear down an engine for pics before and after?
Of course MMO and ARx clean things.
Well really a pan drop and valve cover pull is the most any regular joe would need to do, IMO, to tell if the car is getting cleaned up...but really after pulling such why wouldn't you clean out those areas yourself after going through all of that trouble? I appreciated what Trav posted.
For a regular guy who is not working at a testing facility, who would tear down an engine for pics before and after?
Of course MMO and ARx clean things.
Well really a pan drop and valve cover pull is the most any regular joe would need to do, IMO, to tell if the car is getting cleaned up...but really after pulling such why wouldn't you clean out those areas yourself after going through all of that trouble? I appreciated what Trav posted.
I agree with this. If somebody really does want to prove that MMO and Auto-RX really clean or not, they are going to have to be willing to drop an oil pan and remove a valve cover. Before and after photographs would be nice. But after the photographs are taken if the engine is dirty, why not clean what you can clean? Makes sense to me.
I have thought it may be interesting to place two sludged, varnished rockers from the same engine, in similar tin cans of oil. each would have the required mix of Arx or MMO (or whatever) the cans would be placed on a stove (wood stove, Oil furnace) used on a daily basis, and agitated at regular intervals.
Then compare the results after 5-6 days or more
Then compare the results after 5-6 days or more
^ Sounds like a good test to me.
Originally Posted By: expat
I have thought it may be interesting to place two sludged, varnished rockers from the same engine, in similar tin cans of oil. each would have the required mix of Arx or MMO (or whatever) the cans would be placed on a stove (wood stove, Oil furnace) used on a daily basis, and agitated at regular intervals.
Then compare the results after 5-6 days or more
Originally Posted By: rslifkin
^ Sounds like a good test to me.
Ditto. Go for it.
I have thought it may be interesting to place two sludged, varnished rockers from the same engine, in similar tin cans of oil. each would have the required mix of Arx or MMO (or whatever) the cans would be placed on a stove (wood stove, Oil furnace) used on a daily basis, and agitated at regular intervals.
Then compare the results after 5-6 days or more
Originally Posted By: rslifkin
^ Sounds like a good test to me.
Ditto. Go for it.
Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
Well really a pan drop and valve cover pull is the most any regular joe would need to do, IMO, to tell if the car is getting cleaned up...but really after pulling such why wouldn't you clean out those areas yourself after going through all of that trouble? I appreciated what Trav posted.
I don't think so, at least in my case. My Aerostar pan drop is a 3 hour job IIRC according to All Data, and pulling a valve cover? Yikes. Then do it twice for before and after pics. Besides this is the Internet people might think someone is up to no good.
I do agree with you about doing a clean up once things are taken apart. If I spent all that time I'd do a clean up. I also agree that Trav's pics and write up was great.
The more difficult it is to take an engine apart the easier it is to sell cleaning products, and the more difficult it is to prove if they work or not. LOL
Well really a pan drop and valve cover pull is the most any regular joe would need to do, IMO, to tell if the car is getting cleaned up...but really after pulling such why wouldn't you clean out those areas yourself after going through all of that trouble? I appreciated what Trav posted.
I don't think so, at least in my case. My Aerostar pan drop is a 3 hour job IIRC according to All Data, and pulling a valve cover? Yikes. Then do it twice for before and after pics. Besides this is the Internet people might think someone is up to no good.
I do agree with you about doing a clean up once things are taken apart. If I spent all that time I'd do a clean up. I also agree that Trav's pics and write up was great.
The more difficult it is to take an engine apart the easier it is to sell cleaning products, and the more difficult it is to prove if they work or not. LOL
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I don't think so, at least in my case. My Aerostar pan drop is a 3 hour job IIRC according to All Data, and pulling a valve cover? Yikes. Then do it twice for before and after pics. Besides this is the Internet people might think someone is up to no good.
I do agree with you about doing a clean up once things are taken apart. If I spent all that time I'd do a clean up. I also agree that Trav's pics and write up was great.
The more difficult it is to take an engine apart the easier it is to sell cleaning products, and the more difficult it is to prove if they work or not. LOL
Haha, I know right? I am glad we have 'options' at least in the way of cleanup additives and what not.
I don't have a lift at home so it is indeed a challenge to drop the oil pan on any car. I'd say a valve cover pull is a minimum, if easy to do on your vehicle depending on type, to see what condition a vehicle may be that you just bought used.
Otherwise, based on what you know the inside to look like a quick peak with a special light via the fill hole should tell you if you are improving/remaining same/getting worse.
I don't think so, at least in my case. My Aerostar pan drop is a 3 hour job IIRC according to All Data, and pulling a valve cover? Yikes. Then do it twice for before and after pics. Besides this is the Internet people might think someone is up to no good.
I do agree with you about doing a clean up once things are taken apart. If I spent all that time I'd do a clean up. I also agree that Trav's pics and write up was great.
The more difficult it is to take an engine apart the easier it is to sell cleaning products, and the more difficult it is to prove if they work or not. LOL
Haha, I know right? I am glad we have 'options' at least in the way of cleanup additives and what not.
I don't have a lift at home so it is indeed a challenge to drop the oil pan on any car. I'd say a valve cover pull is a minimum, if easy to do on your vehicle depending on type, to see what condition a vehicle may be that you just bought used.
Otherwise, based on what you know the inside to look like a quick peak with a special light via the fill hole should tell you if you are improving/remaining same/getting worse.
LOL- Keep in mind this board represents a minute fraction of the driving public. I think the average Joe for the most part is clueless. I live on a dead end street with about 12 houses. I'm here close to 15 years. I'm the only person on the block that actually pops the hood on my cars, I kid you not. No one is going to check if their engine is clean. The only time I've seen a hood up was when a car didn't start, and then they either walk over to my house or call me. [We're all friends so I don't mind]. Most people are from the "if it ain't broke, don't worry about it" camp. Then when they have a problem they look for miracles in a bottle. At that point they are an easy sell.
Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
Originally Posted By: expat
I have thought it may be interesting to place two sludged, varnished rockers from the same engine, in similar tin cans of oil. each would have the required mix of Arx or MMO (or whatever) the cans would be placed on a stove (wood stove, Oil furnace) used on a daily basis, and agitated at regular intervals.
Then compare the results after 5-6 days or more
Originally Posted By: rslifkin
^ Sounds like a good test to me.
Ditto. Go for it.
It'll have to wait for a while. The Arx I have, but I'm out of MMO until I next cross the line into the U.S.
Originally Posted By: expat
I have thought it may be interesting to place two sludged, varnished rockers from the same engine, in similar tin cans of oil. each would have the required mix of Arx or MMO (or whatever) the cans would be placed on a stove (wood stove, Oil furnace) used on a daily basis, and agitated at regular intervals.
Then compare the results after 5-6 days or more
Originally Posted By: rslifkin
^ Sounds like a good test to me.
Ditto. Go for it.
It'll have to wait for a while. The Arx I have, but I'm out of MMO until I next cross the line into the U.S.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
LOL- Keep in mind this board represents a minute fraction of the driving public. I think the average Joe for the most part is clueless. I live on a dead end street with about 12 houses. I'm here close to 15 years. I'm the only person on the block that actually pops the hood on my cars, I kid you not. No one is going to check if their engine is clean. The only time I've seen a hood up was when a car didn't start, and then they either walk over to my house or call me. [We're all friends so I don't mind]. Most people are from the "if it ain't broke, don't worry about it" camp. Then when they have a problem they look for miracles in a bottle. At that point they are an easy sell.
That sounds like the world we live in right there...but since this is for the discussion of the board maybe one day osmosis will rub off on others?
Originally Posted By: expat
It'll have to wait for a while. The Arx I have, but I'm out of MMO until I next cross the line into the U.S.
WM seems to sell it the cheapest, $3.77/Q for me locally.
LOL- Keep in mind this board represents a minute fraction of the driving public. I think the average Joe for the most part is clueless. I live on a dead end street with about 12 houses. I'm here close to 15 years. I'm the only person on the block that actually pops the hood on my cars, I kid you not. No one is going to check if their engine is clean. The only time I've seen a hood up was when a car didn't start, and then they either walk over to my house or call me. [We're all friends so I don't mind]. Most people are from the "if it ain't broke, don't worry about it" camp. Then when they have a problem they look for miracles in a bottle. At that point they are an easy sell.
That sounds like the world we live in right there...but since this is for the discussion of the board maybe one day osmosis will rub off on others?
Originally Posted By: expat
It'll have to wait for a while. The Arx I have, but I'm out of MMO until I next cross the line into the U.S.
WM seems to sell it the cheapest, $3.77/Q for me locally.
I have used ARX in 4 applications I will NOT be using it any further. All engines I used it in were a detriment, I did them exactly as told to by Frank,I even retreated one as it started leaking something it had never done before ARX. The only place I had a positive experience about ARX was in the transmission of my Grand cherokee, that did help in that situation, and yes I pulled the pan and checked valve body and shift solenoids before and after. I changed transmission fluid on this vehicle religiously (every 6000 miles filter change also). It was indeed cleaner after the ARX even with the high level of oil changes. I may use it again on a transmission. On a engine a definitive NO not worth the money in my opinion.
Originally Posted By: Dupree
I have used ARX in 4 applications I will NOT be using it any further
Sounds like everyone else on this board.
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I did them exactly as told to by Frank,I even retreated one as it started leaking something it had never done before ARX.
Sounds like auto-rx may actually cause leaks in an engine that never had leaks before.
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On a engine a definitive NO not worth the money in my opinion.
I believe that there are cheaper products that do a much better job at getting the results we are looking for, I am having great success with MMO in my oil, and if I had a very dirty engine then I would be giving KREEN a shot.
I was very shocked when I looked at some of the old auto-rx threads.
I have used ARX in 4 applications I will NOT be using it any further
Sounds like everyone else on this board.
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I did them exactly as told to by Frank,I even retreated one as it started leaking something it had never done before ARX.
Sounds like auto-rx may actually cause leaks in an engine that never had leaks before.
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On a engine a definitive NO not worth the money in my opinion.
I believe that there are cheaper products that do a much better job at getting the results we are looking for, I am having great success with MMO in my oil, and if I had a very dirty engine then I would be giving KREEN a shot.
I was very shocked when I looked at some of the old auto-rx threads.
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