Dexron VI mixing problems

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Hi everyone, recently I had issue with transmission fluid and filter change.

Local euro shop replaced my filter and fluid - GM 6L45 transmission (Uses Dexron VI), 59,727mi, 2011 328i

They used Liquimoly Toptec 1800- which is Dexron VI approved (bottle saids that) . So technically, it should not make problems.
All of the reviews are really good, and some users told me this is really rare to see problems with this fluid. Multiple local euro shops uses this when I asked for a transmission fluid change quote.

Anyways, after fluid change my car was having bumpy shift issue randomly- sometimes smooth sometimes bumpy. Fluid level was correct.

After driving like this for around 300 mile, second shop (where I trust) drained almost 6.5 qts out from drain plug and filled with 6.5 qts of Valvoline Dexron VI fluid.
Didn't dropped the pan since filter was new, and no time to order new pan gasket and bolts.

I need to see longer results but as of now, bumpy shift is gone.
Basically, Original fluid was Dexron VI from factory. First fluid change, 6.5 QTS of TOPTEC 1800. Second fluid change was 6.5 QTS of Dexron VI.
Some people told me it is bad to mix fluid like this but I am unsure, since both D6 and Toptec1800 should be developed expecting to be mixed with original fluid since most of people do drain and fill rather than complete fluid change.

So here's my concern-

Since Toptec 1800 is Dexron VI compatible- will it be fine to mixed like this?
I checked both fluid specs and it seems pretty similar.

  • Should I do complete fluid replacement by pumping 13 qts of fresh Dexron VI
  • Or,
  • Since Toptec 1800 is compatible fluid for Dexron VI, am I okay to drive a while and do drain and refill in 5000~10000 mi?
I appreciate any inputs!
 
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I know nothing about that particular fluid, but it appears that Liquimoly says it's compatible with Dexton VI applications but stops short of saying it's the same as Dexton VI or that it's approved by GM. I like to use the specified type of fluid where it's practical. For all I know, your issue could be something unrelated to the fluid, though, it could also be that the Liquimoly fluid has somewhat different friction properties than Dexton VI which could affect shift quality.

"LIQUI MOLY recommends this product for vehicles or assemblies for which the following specifications or original spare part numbers are required

Aisin Warner AW-1, BMW 83 22 0 142 516, BMW 83 22 2 152 426, BMW 83 22 2 289 720, BMW 83 22 2 305 396, BMW 83 22 2 305 397, BMW 83 22 2 355 599, BMW M-1375.4, Dexron VI, Fiat 9.55550-AV5, Ford Mercon LV, Honda ATF 3.1, Honda ATF DW-1, Honda Typ 3.0, Hyundai SP-IV, Hyundai SP-IV-RR, Isuzu ATF WSI, JASO 1A-LV, JWS 3324 (Aisin Warner), Land Rover TYK 500050, Mazda ATF FZ, MB 236.12, MB 236.14, Mitsubishi Dia Queen ATF-MA1, Mitsubishi Dia Queen ATF-PA, Nissan AT-Matic S Fluid, Nissan Matic P, Toyota WS, VW G 055 005, VW G 055 162, VW G 055 540, VW G 060 162 "

https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/us/top-tec-atf-1800-p000243.html#20032
 
I know nothing about that particular fluid, but it appears that Liquimoly says it's compatible with Dexton VI applications but stops short of saying it's the same as Dexton VI or that it's approved by GM. I like to use the specified type of fluid where it's practical. For all I know, your issue could be something unrelated to the fluid, though, it could also be that the Liquimoly fluid has somewhat different friction properties than Dexton VI which could affect shift quality.

"LIQUI MOLY recommends this product for vehicles or assemblies for which the following specifications or original spare part numbers are required

Aisin Warner AW-1, BMW 83 22 0 142 516, BMW 83 22 2 152 426, BMW 83 22 2 289 720, BMW 83 22 2 305 396, BMW 83 22 2 305 397, BMW 83 22 2 355 599, BMW M-1375.4, Dexron VI, Fiat 9.55550-AV5, Ford Mercon LV, Honda ATF 3.1, Honda ATF DW-1, Honda Typ 3.0, Hyundai SP-IV, Hyundai SP-IV-RR, Isuzu ATF WSI, JASO 1A-LV, JWS 3324 (Aisin Warner), Land Rover TYK 500050, Mazda ATF FZ, MB 236.12, MB 236.14, Mitsubishi Dia Queen ATF-MA1, Mitsubishi Dia Queen ATF-PA, Nissan AT-Matic S Fluid, Nissan Matic P, Toyota WS, VW G 055 005, VW G 055 162, VW G 055 540, VW G 060 162 "

https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/us/top-tec-atf-1800-p000243.html#20032
Their bottle shows it carried D6 approvals. Not on website tho.
I hope it can be mixed.

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Liquimoly claims this Top Tec 1800 ATF is suitable for use in Mazda vehicles requiring Mazda FZ.
Mazda FZ is a blue color and this is red so Mazda would know you used it if warranty issues arise.

Back on topic....I'm surprised the OP had issues in a Dex VI application and I agree it should mix without problems.
 
Reset the adaptive's & do a easy test drive to relearn the clutch volumes. At least on GM 6L units the "Quick Learn" procedure was eliminated around 2010.
Thank you. I did the adaptation reset, and I assume it is keep learning. There's little delayed shift on 3-4 but I hope it gradually get better
 
Any formally licensed Dex VI fluid should be easily compatible; the license criteria is fairly strict so it should be an easy match.
Awesome. They probably have different addictive but both carries D6 approval so I will assume they are compatible and can be mixed.
 
OT:
Liquimoly claims this Top Tec 1800 ATF is suitable for use in Mazda vehicles requiring Mazda FZ.
Mazda FZ is a blue color and this is red so Mazda would know you used it if warranty issues arise.

Back on topic....I'm surprised the OP had issues in a Dex VI application and I agree it should mix without problems.
Yeah. I was thinking that the shop didn't installed or double stacked metal filter o-rings, but in same time new fluid works well so I can erase that situation
 
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