Dexron VI damage to older transmissions?

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Can Dexron VI used in place of Dexron III damage the automatic transmission?

Dexron VI appears to be backward compatible. However, the "weasel or lawyer wording" in data sheets and fluid bottles indicate that many Dexron VI manufactrers are not sure. I think Coastal even says DO NOT use it in older transmissions that use Dexron III.

I want to use it in my 95 bmw in a GM automatic transmission made in France that requires Dexron II/III. I am ready to go since I have already purchased Castrol Dexron VI fluid to use.
 
Dexron VI is backwards compatible and should be safe. It is a far superior fluid to the original Dexron III fluids. It is a thinner fluid, but understand that Dexron III fluids have been known to shear way below the Dexron VI starting viscosity, in a rather quick time, while Dexron VI is suppose to have better shear resistance.

All in all, you're making an upgrade, as it is a synthetic ATF (at least Group III).
 
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FYI I have been using Mobil I Dexron III synthetic for the past 33,000 miles with no problems. However. Mobil 1 seems to be calling their synthetic a multi-purpose fluid now.Not usre it is the same.
 
And why would you want it to be the same?
As technology advances, formulas/additives change, the performance gets better, and the demands on the fluid are greater.

If you like the Mobil 1 ATF, feel free to use it for your future maintenance. If you don't, then flush it out with something else.

Even though $M1 is not my preferred ATF anymore, I myself have personally put about 400k miles on it in several vehicles. It has never failed me. And, I do recommend and install it regularly. It also makes an excellent PSF, x-case lube, MTF, and diff oil.
 
I meant the new Mobil 1 mulit-purpose Dexron III/Mercon(?) ATF fluid appears to have a changed formulation from the previous Dexron III only fluid. Being different (not the same),in this case, may mean it is not compatible with my transmission. Just a comment
 
I think you will find out soon enough whether the DEX VI is compatible for your application. Be prepared with enough Mobil 1 ATF standing by if it doesn't work. Let us know after 1-2K miles how things are going.
 
Mobil1 and Mobil are different products. When talking about the mineral oils and blends, do NOT use the "1". The "1" is the synthetic line.
 
Not sure who is referring to who, but there was a Mobil 1 Multi-Vehicle ATF as well. The labeling of the same product is now Mobil 1 Mercon V. I believe I have the names correct, as the site is updated and just says "Synthetic ATF."
 
from GM Techlink May 2007

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In early 2005, General Motors released a newly developed automatic transmission fluid (ATF) for the factory fill of all GM Powertrain stepped-gear automatic transmissions. The new fluid provides significantly improved performance in terms of friction durability, viscosity stability, aeration and foam control and oxidation resistance. In addition, the fluid has the potential to enable improved fuel economy and extended drain intervals. Because the performance of the new fluid far exceeded that of the DEXRON-III service-fill fluids available at the time, it became necessary to upgrade the DEXRON service-fill specification in order to ensure that similar fluids were available in the market for service situations. This latest upgrade to the service- fill specification is designated DEXRON-VI (fig. 1).
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Since General Motors introduced the first ATF service-fill specification in 1949, it has been necessary to upgrade the specification periodically.

The upgrading process ensures that available service-fill fluids are of an appropriate quality for use in transmissions that have been designed around the factory-fill fluid performance.

TIP: As with previous upgrades, DEXRON-VI fluids are designed to be backward compatible with earlier transmission hardware. More importantly, earlier type fluids are not forward compatible with transmission hardware that was designed to use DEXRON-VI fluid.

DEXRON-III is not compatible with the most recently designed transmissions, and the use of these earlier type fluids could result in transmission damage. All current calibrations and certification tests are now conducted with DEXRON-VI ATF. DEXRON-III fluids should not be used for those applications where the owner manual recommends the use of DEXRON-VI.

TIP: GM does not license or support obsolete ATF specifications or the use of fluids that are being marketed against cancelled specifications.

All DEXRON-III licenses expired at the end of 2006 and will not be renewed. Beyond that date, GM will support only DEXRON-VI fluids for use in Hydra-Matic transmissions. Avoid fluids sold in the market after that date bearing claims such as “suitable for use in
DEXRON-III applications” or similar wording. DEXRON-VI licensed fluids are fully backward compatible and can be used in all applications covered by earlier GM ATF specifications.


Precaution: DEXRON-VI in Manual Transmissions

When DEXRON-III is indicated as the fluid fill for manual transmissions and transfer cases, DO NOT use DEXRON-VI. Instead, use GM Manual Transmission Fluid p/n 88861800 in these components.

TIP: Refer to PIP3836B (Feb. 2007).

If the manual transmission or transfer case indicates use of DEXRON-VI, then, of course, it should be used.

Purging Equipment

Before filling your bulk fluid equipment with DEXRON-VI, be sure to purge the old oil from it.

Also, be sure to purge your J-45096 Transflow machine before using it with DEXRON-VI.




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Manual Transmission Lubricant



This information applies to 2007 and prior GM passenger cars and trucks.

Dexron III is being phased out as a product name. It is being renamed Manual Transmission Fluid and carries p/n 88861800 U.S. (88861801 Canada).

If fluid p/n 88861800 U.S. (88861801 Canada) is not yet available when servicing a manual transmission or transfer case, Dexron III can be used in its place.

DO NOT use Dexron VI in place of manual transmission fluid in any manual transmissions or transfer cases that specify Dexron III, as a failure may result.




 
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Does anyone even sell Dexron VI? Noone around here carries it.




I don't know where you are in Ohio, but Advance Auto Parts carries Castrol Dexron VI. They just recently started carrying it, and it looks like my Auto Zone is making shelf space for it, but it is not there yet.
 
Have you ever thought about using Amsoil ATF? It meets all the specs and is priced about the same as what you are used to paying with the Mobil 1.
 
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Does anyone even sell Dexron VI? Noone around here carries it.




I don't know where you are in Ohio, but Advance Auto Parts carries Castrol Dexron VI. They just recently started carrying it, and it looks like my Auto Zone is making shelf space for it, but it is not there yet.




OK, I found some. I was too busy looking for Valvoline products that I overlooked Castrol. I hear Valvo does make a dexvi but its not around here nor is it listed on their website. OH well, guess castrol it is.
 
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