Dexos2 (not Dex1 gen 2) in a non-turbo GDI?

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Been reading here about Dexos2, the GM spec used for light diesel engines in Europe and elsewhere. Apparently its drawback for use in gas engines here is the low-speed stochastic pre-ignition (LSPI) phenomenon in the turbocharged engines, and the Dexos2 does not work to prevent that.

However, my car is a non-turbo, the '16 LaCrosse (45K miles now) with the LFX 3.6L V-6. Would there be any advantage, presuming the Dexos2 is easy to find and not much more expensive, to use that oil for a 5K OCI? Is it a much stouter and better-cleaning oil?

Of course, if it's hard to find or much more $$$ than regular Dexos1 Gen2, then I'll stick with the Dexos1. Any ideas?
 
I dont think it matters in that engine. I would use whatever you want in the appropriate grade.

Napa syn at 2.99 etc.
 
A 5w30 with the dexos certification. Car is out of warranty, soI'm just wondering if GM has is even stouter oil, readily available, to meet the certification.
What are you trying to accomplish? I don't see the advantage over a d1g2.
That's what I'm wondering: Is there any advantage to using the dexos2? Diesel-rated oils are usually very sturdy, as they have to deal with greater stresses than produced by a gas engine. If it's easy to find and not too expen$$$ive, I could give it a try.
 
Mr. Benzadmiral, I am really enjoying my ownership of the year newer '17 Lacrosse, with 2 extra cam drive chains, center cylinders deactivation, auto stop, continuous cam phasing, variable-tuning intake runners and 8 speed Aisin Warner fwd transmission. So far it's been a problem-free luxury starship, that's as docile or ferocious as I choose to drive it, while still averaging 29 mpg (80% interstate). I've had it 37k miles/ 3 years + 1 month since brand new and if it (hopefully) has a slow, delayed decline in its life, I plan to keep it for some time to come.

I questioned whether all Dexos 1 Gen 2 5W30 oils are the same, and came to the conclusion that they are not. I selected Motul Eco Lite D1G2 for its higher HTHS (3.3 cSt), (supposedly) more ester content, and increased use of salicylate detergents & AW package. I buy it by the case for about $40 each for 5 liter jugs. On paper I would place Ravenol as the best, as its base stocks are likely the most oxidation resistant, and its additive package brings B & W into the mix. I'd think Amsoil SS 5W30 or Red Line Performance 5W30 would likely fit in with Ravenol's pluses, except the add packs don't have the W (value?). Total (Quartz 9k?) is also a serious contender among the best as would be Schaeffer's. And if you'd rather obtain more available oil, then there's some money savings to be had with Pennzoil Platinum, M1 EP, Castrol Edge EP, Valvoline Advanced, Kendall GT-1, QS Ultimate, Red Line D1G2, RP, etc... Or if you're wanting more cleaning, less soot, less oxidation, the Lubrizol spider says the oils rated for MB 229.51 and 229.52 combined with a steady diet of ultra low sulphur top tier gas might be a good alternative.

We could make some mention of Noack volatility numbers, but you'd see my hierarchy and those test results are already aligned.

Dexos 2 is made to prevent negative reactions with a diesel particulate filter, and while it does have an elevated HTHS of 3.5 - 3.7, unless you're getting racy with yours for moderate periods of time, it's really a Venn diagram overlapping intersection with MB 229.51, and likely will just cost you a little gas mileage for increased cleanliness and slightly longer OCIs.

What kind of mileage is your OLM predicting for an OCI? Mine seems to be set at a constant 7500 miles, but like I said mostly highway miles, and never short-tripped, and I'm just gradually increasing to ~ 6k miles actual OCI, which is as much as I'm willing to risk with reports of chain/ tensioner issues in earlier model years of the 3.6 DI DOHC.

Also a thought - yours has the 6 speed auto - with 45k on the clock it's important to get the Dexron VI exchanged from that unit soon if you haven't already. I thought I had seen numerous complaints from drivers with V6 Impalas stating their transmissions started having problems just before 100k, but many if not all thought the ATF was a "lifetime" fluid that would give the transmission 200k+ miles of trouble free operation. Didn't turn out that way.

Anyways, cheers from the river city.
 
From your owners manual 5w30. If you sense you want a higher viscosity a typical Dexos 2 might have kinematic viscosity of 13 cSt like this Pennzoil Euro L. Up to you. The word “Stout” tips off the thickie fans. ;)

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In Australia Dexos2 oils are often used as performance oils in GM-Holden petrol (gas) engines that are more highly stressed.

I recall GM Australia recommending Dexos2 for the small 1.4L iTi turbo engine a few years ago. This was back in the D1-G1 days, not sure what they said when D1-G2 arrived.

Anyway lots of Dexos2 used in gas (petrol) engines and in Australia with the blessing of GM-Australia.
 
Mr. Benzadmiral, I am really enjoying my ownership of the year newer '17 Lacrosse, with 2 extra cam drive chains, center cylinders deactivation, auto stop, continuous cam phasing, variable-tuning intake runners and 8 speed Aisin Warner fwd transmission. So far it's been a problem-free luxury starship, that's as docile or ferocious as I choose to drive it, while still averaging 29 mpg (80% interstate). I've had it 37k miles/ 3 years + 1 month since brand new and if it (hopefully) has a slow, delayed decline in its life, I plan to keep it for some time to come.

I questioned whether all Dexos 1 Gen 2 5W30 oils are the same, and came to the conclusion that they are not. I selected Motul Eco Lite D1G2 for its higher HTHS (3.3 cSt), (supposedly) more ester content, and increased use of salicylate detergents & AW package. I buy it by the case for about $40 each for 5 liter jugs. On paper I would place Ravenol as the best, as its base stocks are likely the most oxidation resistant, and its additive package brings B & W into the mix. I'd think Amsoil SS 5W30 or Red Line Performance 5W30 would likely fit in with Ravenol's pluses, except the add packs don't have the W (value?). Total (Quartz 9k?) is also a serious contender among the best as would be Schaeffer's. And if you'd rather obtain more available oil, then there's some money savings to be had with Pennzoil Platinum, M1 EP, Castrol Edge EP, Valvoline Advanced, Kendall GT-1, QS Ultimate, Red Line D1G2, RP, etc... Or if you're wanting more cleaning, less soot, less oxidation, the Lubrizol spider says the oils rated for MB 229.51 and 229.52 combined with a steady diet of ultra low sulphur top tier gas might be a good alternative.

We could make some mention of Noack volatility numbers, but you'd see my hierarchy and those test results are already aligned.

Dexos 2 is made to prevent negative reactions with a diesel particulate filter, and while it does have an elevated HTHS of 3.5 - 3.7, unless you're getting racy with yours for moderate periods of time, it's really a Venn diagram overlapping intersection with MB 229.51, and likely will just cost you a little gas mileage for increased cleanliness and slightly longer OCIs.

What kind of mileage is your OLM predicting for an OCI? Mine seems to be set at a constant 7500 miles, but like I said mostly highway miles, and never short-tripped, and I'm just gradually increasing to ~ 6k miles actual OCI, which is as much as I'm willing to risk with reports of chain/ tensioner issues in earlier model years of the 3.6 DI DOHC.

Also a thought - yours has the 6 speed auto - with 45k on the clock it's important to get the Dexron VI exchanged from that unit soon if you haven't already. I thought I had seen numerous complaints from drivers with V6 Impalas stating their transmissions started having problems just before 100k, but many if not all thought the ATF was a "lifetime" fluid that would give the transmission 200k+ miles of trouble free operation. Didn't turn out that way.

Anyways, cheers from the river city.
Howdy, CentAm,

A "luxury starship" -- good way to describe the full-size Buicks! When I was shopping in the summer of '19, I seriously considered a '17 -- lovely style, super power -- but didn't want to deal with the auto stop-start, and it was hard to find a CPO with a light-colored interior. If something were to happen to this one, I'd have to search for a '17-'19. It seems as though Buick did not sell many of them.

The OLM is predicting about a 6000-mile OCI, i.e., I'm at 3500 miles now and 44% oil life left. Mine is unfortunately not getting to run as much highway as I'd like despite that, so I've been doing a 4500-mile, 6 month change on Castrol Edge 5w30. (I'm pretty sure of the brand. My regular mechanic changed the oil & filter in January and July of this year, and when I asked what Dexos oil he used, he said "Castrol.") So far the car uses no oil between changes. So part of your advice is to find something with the MB certification? Doesn't that require going to a 0W-40?

Pennzoil Platinum, QS Ultimate, and Castrol Edge EP will be easy for me to find. It's not so much that I want a "thicker" oil than the standard dexos1 Gen 2, but one that will provide the best cleaning and protection. I don't really want to get into extended drains. The 6-month OCI is easy for me to remember. And we have 2 seasons here, January and SUMMER, so it's not a matter of changing ahead of severe weather. (Not now. Soon I will live somewhere with four seasons again.) You're in FL? Then you know.

Oh, I don't believe any fluid is lifetime. The maintenance schedule says several things are due at 45K miles, brake fluid, coolant, and transmission fluid, and I'm having them all done before the first of the year. New tires too -- the original Goodyears are displaying some dry rot -- and the LaCrosse will be set for a long time to come.
 
Attached is a UOA from my lacrosse with the LFX. Seems to like 0w40. This UOA is amsoil SS and I have edge 0w40 in now. Seems great. Going to try Mobil 1 0w40 next. The previous UOA’s on this report were with 5w30. It drinks about 1 qt per 1k to 3k depending how hard I drive it, which is relatively hard. It’s a fun car
 

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If you want an oil that is more stout than your standard D1G2 stuff, try a 0w40 like Mobil 1 FS or Castrol Edge. The viscosity of the M1 FS is not much above the 30wt range and should shear down into the 30 range during a 6K mile OCI.

$0.02.

P.S.: if we're going back to 60s Buicks, I prefer this one:

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Brons2 writes, "If you want an oil that is more stout than your standard D1G2 stuff, try a 0w40 like Mobil 1 FS or Castrol Edge. The viscosity of the M1 FS is not much above the 30wt range and should shear down into the 30 range during a 6K mile OCI."

I may be reading this wrong, but the Castrol Edge 5w30 C3 does have the dexos2 approval on the 5-quart jug at WM. I'd need to buy a 6th quart for this engine, but $35 should do it altogether. If I can find it at my local WM, that is. And again, I'd be running this for 4500-5000 miles over 6 months, not doing an extended OCI.

 
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I may be reading this wrong, but the Castrol Edge 5w30 C3 does have the dexos2 approval on the 5-quart jug at WM. I'd need to buy a 6th quart for this engine, but $35 should do it altogether. If I can find it at my local WM, that is. And again, I'd be running this for 4500-5000 miles over 6 months, not doing an extended OCI.

Yes most Euro oils come as either the full-SAPS A3/B4 oils or as mid-SAPS C3 oils.

They should also carry various OEM specs, like MB 229.5 for A3 and MB 229.51 for C3.

It’s common for a good C3 oil to also be SN & Dexos2 rated. Your OCI of 5k miles sounds fine for a C3 oil.

I would only do 10k miles on a A3/B4 oil. These are required to have a starting TBN above 10.

BTW both C3 and A3 are high HTHS oils (> 3.5 cP). Same with Dexos2 (being based on C3).

Dexos1-Gen2 oils are resource conserving and so have a lower HTHS, usually around 3.1 cP for a 30 grade. The Euro equivalent of this would be a A5 oil.
 
Mr. Benzadmiral, I am really enjoying my ownership of the year newer '17 Lacrosse, with 2 extra cam drive chains, center cylinders deactivation, auto stop, continuous cam phasing, variable-tuning intake runners and 8 speed Aisin Warner fwd transmission. So far it's been a problem-free luxury starship, that's as docile or ferocious as I choose to drive it, while still averaging 29 mpg (80% interstate). I've had it 37k miles/ 3 years + 1 month since brand new and if it (hopefully) has a slow, delayed decline in its life, I plan to keep it for some time to come.

I questioned whether all Dexos 1 Gen 2 5W30 oils are the same, and came to the conclusion that they are not. I selected Motul Eco Lite D1G2 for its higher HTHS (3.3 cSt), (supposedly) more ester content, and increased use of salicylate detergents & AW package. I buy it by the case for about $40 each for 5 liter jugs. On paper I would place Ravenol as the best, as its base stocks are likely the most oxidation resistant, and its additive package brings B & W into the mix. I'd think Amsoil SS 5W30 or Red Line Performance 5W30 would likely fit in with Ravenol's pluses, except the add packs don't have the W (value?). Total (Quartz 9k?) is also a serious contender among the best as would be Schaeffer's. And if you'd rather obtain more available oil, then there's some money savings to be had with Pennzoil Platinum, M1 EP, Castrol Edge EP, Valvoline Advanced, Kendall GT-1, QS Ultimate, Red Line D1G2, RP, etc... Or if you're wanting more cleaning, less soot, less oxidation, the Lubrizol spider says the oils rated for MB 229.51 and 229.52 combined with a steady diet of ultra low sulphur top tier gas might be a good alternative.

We could make some mention of Noack volatility numbers, but you'd see my hierarchy and those test results are already aligned.

Dexos 2 is made to prevent negative reactions with a diesel particulate filter, and while it does have an elevated HTHS of 3.5 - 3.7, unless you're getting racy with yours for moderate periods of time, it's really a Venn diagram overlapping intersection with MB 229.51, and likely will just cost you a little gas mileage for increased cleanliness and slightly longer OCIs.

What kind of mileage is your OLM predicting for an OCI? Mine seems to be set at a constant 7500 miles, but like I said mostly highway miles, and never short-tripped, and I'm just gradually increasing to ~ 6k miles actual OCI, which is as much as I'm willing to risk with reports of chain/ tensioner issues in earlier model years of the 3.6 DI DOHC.

Also a thought - yours has the 6 speed auto - with 45k on the clock it's important to get the Dexron VI exchanged from that unit soon if you haven't already. I thought I had seen numerous complaints from drivers with V6 Impalas stating their transmissions started having problems just before 100k, but many if not all thought the ATF was a "lifetime" fluid that would give the transmission 200k+ miles of trouble free operation. Didn't turn out that way.

Anyways, cheers from the river city.
"Ferocious"? With 310 hp and 3700 lbs?
 
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