Dex 3 or Dex 6...which is ok?

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Morning BITOG's, my newest ride is a 2002 Chevy Blazer 4x4. It has 150k miles and runs pretty good. There's been a lot of maintenance done but no record of the trans fluid specifically. It doesn't look or smell burnt, but is discolored for sure and I'd like to change it. At work, the Service Information says factory fill is Dex 3. My trans guy suggested replacing the filter, adding a new pan with drain bolt, and topping off with Dex 6. Then do drain and fills (5 quarts for the deep pan) annually. Another guy said just hook our fluid exchange machine (NOT a flush machine....) to the cooler line and run 5 quarts of Dex 6 through without changing the filter. Finally, another friend said "Dex 3 only!" Who is correct? Or, what would you guys do? My initial thought was to follow the advice of my trans guy and replace the filter, pan, and top off with the Dex 6. This truck is my daily driver, and will eventually tow a 2000 pound capable trailer this summer with our 4 wheeler on it. I know Dex 6 is a better fluid, but I'm not sure what mixing will do. I don't want the trans to start slipping or failing due to the different fluids, or the shift characteristics to change. Thanks in advance!
 
I'm holding my breath for responses.
Some will say to go with a mineral based fluid as Dex III is mineral.
Others will promote synthetics
You can't have an ATF thread without MaxLife by Valvoline.
The original viscosity arguments will be compelling.

There must be a body of knowledge on these transmissions as so many were made.

My money's on a pan drop with filter change and refill with original fluid or a house branded Dex/Merc.

Where'd you find this Blazer? Private sale? How do you know a lot of maintenance was done?
I'd bet a better maintained vehicle was less likely to have been abused.
Did it come to you with a hitch?
 
I'm holding my breath for responses.
Some will say to go with a mineral based fluid as Dex III is mineral.
Others will promote synthetics
You can't have an ATF thread without MaxLife by Valvoline.
The original viscosity arguments will be compelling.

There must be a body of knowledge on these transmissions as so many were made.

My money's on a pan drop with filter change and refill with original fluid or a house branded Dex/Merc.

Where'd you find this Blazer? Private sale? How do you know a lot of maintenance was done?
I'd bet a better maintained vehicle was less likely to have been abused.
Did it come to you with a hitch?
There are intervals written in paint marker underhood, and my dealership gave me a carfax. It was private sale, and it did in fact have a hitch. I can't remember if it has the tow package...I'll have to run my VIN in my dealerships VIS and look at the vehicle build. I do have 10 quarts of blue jug Valvoline Dex/Merc fluid coming to me, which says meets Dex 3 specs so.....IDK. Just want it to be right.
 
I've used castrol transmax high mileage atf in both my old 4 speeds and they both love it. The shifts are almost new on the sierra again where they used to be a little delayed. Out of the other atf's I've used including acdelco atf it's the best of them all.

https://www.homedepot.com/pep/CASTR...n7VmWGB28hXrYsQMXqxoCn4YQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

https://www.amazon.com/Castrol-03518-Transmax-Mileage-Transmission/dp/B00DILUC6U?th=1
Can't go wrong with Castrol. Looks like good stuff.
 
With the towing you mentioned, I'd be more concerned if it has a factory tow package w/transmission cooler.
Z85- chassis package, increased capacity
Z82- trailer provisions, special equipment, HD
UY7- wiring harness, truck trailer, HD
VR4- trailer hitch, weight distributing platform

Yep...she's outfitted with the goods.
 
This transmission is not picky. Having good/fresh fluid in it is of more consequence than subtle differences between branded Dex III, Dex VI, Maxlife, Castrol Tansmax, etc. Pick whatever is cheap/convenient, drop pan and filters, clean magnets, refill with confidence. On a vehicle with unknown history, maybe, drain and fill again in 6-12 months. You should be looking at $4-5 a quart.

I would not worry about the 2,000 pound trailer. Your driving style will matter more than that amount of additional payload.

EDIT - I was scorned in a thread last week for being critical of universal fluid in a different application. THIS is the application for universalish DexIII-VI fluids.

Buy some extra for transfer case and power steering?

EDIT - note, when Dex VI was released ~2005, GM back-spec'd it for Dex III applications. The differences are:
1) there is no longer licensing/fee paid for Dex III, so it is generally cheaper but on the other hand nobody is policing that the cheap stuff from Triax, UltraPlus, and Kendall is compliant
2) Dex VI is a "full syn" base, so it should hold up better than Dex III, depending on your application and change intervals. General thought is that the higher starting viscosity of Dex III is moot if it wears down to Dex VI...

EDIT - Jetman has now pointed this out.
 
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This transmission is not picky. Having good/fresh fluid in it is of more consequence than subtle differences between branded Dex III, Dex VI, Maxlife, etc. Pick whatever is cheap convenient, drop pan and filters, refill with confidence. On a vehicle with unknown history, drain and fill again in 6-12 months.

I would not worry about the 2,000 pound trailer. Your driving style will matter more than that amount of additional payload.
We will call my driving style "assertive" since I live in a city filled with moron drivers LOL! I don't beat the tar out of my rig, but I don't baby it either. I have read that the 4L60 isn't exactly picky, but I don't know much about them other than it's nickname 4L-Slippy.
 
We will call my driving style "assertive" since I live in a city filled with moron drivers LOL! I don't beat the tar out of my rig, but I don't baby it either. I have read that the 4L60 isn't exactly picky, but I don't know much about them other than it's nickname 4L-Slippy.
My '00 Silverado 5.3 was a heavier vehicle and had the 4L60. Transmission was untouched (aside from fluid) when I sold it at 190k. Generally, I would expect an easier life behind a 4.3. I assume plenty of GM 4L transmissions have gone to the crusher with factory fluids.
 
On Dad's old 2000 Sierra, he blew a line off of the transmission cooler and lost about half of the fluid. I used the Valvoline Dex III/Mercon (in a blue jug) from Wal-Mart.
On the jug, it clearly states that it is for pre-2006 vehicles only.
Worked just fine. I wouldn't use the newer Dex 6 at all, when the old Dex III is still easily available.
 
I've run Dex VI in a Dex III transmission for years and it seems to love it.


My '00 Silverado 5.3 was a heavier vehicle and had the 4L60. Transmission was untouched (aside from fluid) when I sold it at 190k. Generally, I would expect an easier life behind a 4.3. I assume plenty of GM 4L transmissions have gone to the crusher with factory fluids.

They get a bad reputation because it's so easy to get power out of the 4.8/5.3/6.0 engines and far exceed what the transmission can handle. Those transmissions were made to go behind a 130 horsepower 305 or a 150 horsepower 350. Of course they're going to blow up when you pump your 6.0 LS to 500 horsepower ... The GMT400 and 800 were super popular around here and the transmissions seemed to all make it until the frame rusted out unless you hotrodded the thing.
 
All DEXRON-III (H) licenses expired permanently at the end of 2011, and GM now supports only DEXRON-VI fluids for use in their older automatic transmissions. Aftermarket fluids asserted by their manufacturers to meet DEXRON-III(H) and earlier standards continue to be sold under names such as DEX/Merc. These fluids are not regulated or endorsed by GM.

GM DEXRON-VI - This fluid is backward compatible with DEXRON-III(H) and DEXRON-III(G) fluids only.
 
I am going to disagree with some of the recommendations above and I'll tell you why, in detail.

I am a big fan of DEX VI ... most of the time. But not in your application. I'll explain, to the best of my memory and ability to recall details.

Dex VI is a wonderful product enhancement "next step" past Dex III(h); it came along around 2006. DexVI has performance requirements which essentially necessitate the use of base stocks which would be grp III or greater, and the additive package is very robust. It's a great product, unless it's paired with older transmissions which have older seals and o-rings which are not up to the capability expectations for the new fluid. GM back-spec'd the Dex VI because they were not going to continue to license the Dex III. However, Allison did not agree, and created a "new" spec just so they could continue to have a separate fluid for the "old" seals. (What was known then as TES-389, essentially a traditional Dex III; versus their TES-295 which was a PAO based Dex III). Newer transmissions which don't have the seal compatibility issues can benefit greatly from the Dex VI, as it maintains its viscosity incredibly well (though it is lower; around 6.0 or so), and has a fantastic additive package.

Way back in the day, I did a lot of research because my (then) new 2006 Silv 3500 had the Dmax and 6-spd Allison (which was GM made in Baltimore). Whereas GM said it was proper to put Dex VI in the trans, Allison didn't agree and spec'd TES-389 or TES-295. GM owned Allison at the time, so there was some internal in-fighting over the topic. There are a few old-time members here who actually worked at GM and Allison; I was able to get the backstory from them. They greatly respected each other, but had differing opinions on the issue. The issue lies in the fact that when DEX VI was used in very high-heat conditions, the fluid would hold up fine, but if that application included old seals, there could be a breakdown of the seal materials. This was a VERY rare circumstance, as the very high heat took a long time to degrade the materials when combined with the additive package compounds. But, the condition does exist, regardless of how seldom the actual occurrences are. In "normal" use, it's unlikely that the heat would ever get high enough to cause a problem.

Since 2007, the seals in GM vehicles have been compatible with Dex VI. 2006 was a crossover year; some had upgraded seals and some didn't. Any vehicle older than 2006 won't have the updated seals. And as long as the fluid doesn't get really hot (above 300F IIRC), it "should" be OK for Dex VI. But that's not a risk worth taking IMO because there are plenty of alternatives which don't have this risk, no matter how remote it may be. So, with all that info, and knowing I was going to be towing an RV and had potential for high heat conditions, I decided to eschew the Dex VI and use a TES-295 type product. My truck didn't make the serial number cut-off, so it was susceptible, however remote that chance might be.


OP, if you want to service your 2002 truck, I would recommend a few choices:
- any well-known brand of lube that offers a "Dex/Merc", "D/M", "D3-M" or such fluid; plenty to choose from. These will be traditional grp II/II+ type fluids. The will start with vis around 7.3cSt or so, but fall off quickly. However, the vis drop doesn't seem to affect wear control; I've seen plenty of UOA to support this conclusion.
- any quality brand which offers a synthetic version comparable to the old Dex/Merc applications. Again, there are plenty to choose from. Some will be group III, others PAO. Any will suffice and offer a longer service life due to the higher base stocks.

That's my input on the topic.
 
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Z85- chassis package, increased capacity
Z82- trailer provisions, special equipment, HD
UY7- wiring harness, truck trailer, HD
VR4- trailer hitch, weight distributing platform
Upsized radiator, alternator, battery, rear lighting relays...
Wired for trailer lights? Wired for trailer brakes?
"Next lower diff gears" to facilitate towing?
External transmission cooler or a larger loop in a HD radiator?
Possibly optional shocks
Possibly larger front brakes

Do start keeping gas mileage records. It's easy.
Does it have that 4.3l V-6 (the one made from a 350)? It drinks fuel like Niagara Falls.
 
I am going to disagree with some of the recommendations above and I'll tell you why, in detail.

I am a big fan of DEX VI ... most of the time. But not in your application. I'll explain, to the best of my memory and ability to recall details.

Dex VI is a wonderful product enhancement "next step" past Dex III(h); it came along around 2006. DexVI has performance requirements which essentially necessitate the use of base stocks which would be grp III or greater, and the additive package is very robust. It's a great product, unless it's paired with older transmissions which have older seals and o-rings which are not up to the capability expectations for the new fluid. GM back-spec'd the Dex VI because they were not going to continue to license the Dex III. However, Allison did not agree, and created a "new" spec just so they could continue to have a separate fluid for the "old" seals. (What was known then as TES-389, essentially a traditional Dex III; versus their TES-295 which was a PAO based Dex III). Newer transmissions which don't have the seal compatibility issues can benefit greatly from the Dex VI, as it maintains its viscosity incredibly well (though it is lower; around 6.0 or so), and has a fantastic additive package.

Way back in the day, I did a lot of research because my (then) new 2006 Silv 3500 had the Dmax and 6-spd Allison (which was GM made in Baltimore). Whereas GM said it was proper to put Dex VI in the trans, Allison didn't agree and spec'd TES-389 or TES-295. GM owned Allison at the time, so there was some internal in-fighting over the topic. There are a few old-time members here who actually worked at GM and Allison; I was able to get the backstory from them. They greatly respected each other, but had differing opinions on the issue. The issue lies in the fact that when DEX VI was used in very high-heat conditions, the fluid would hold up fine, but if that application included old seals, there could be a breakdown of the seal materials. This was a VERY rare circumstance, as the very high heat took a long time to degrade the materials when combined with the additive package compounds. But, the condition does exist, regardless of how seldom the actual occurrences are. In "normal" use, it's unlikely that the heat would ever get high enough to cause a problem.

Since 2007, the seals in GM vehicles have been compatible with Dex VI. 2006 was a crossover year; some had upgraded seals and some didn't. Any vehicle older than 2006 won't have the updated seals. And as long as the fluid doesn't get really hot (above 300F IIRC), it "should" be OK for Dex VI. But that's not a risk worth taking IMO because there are plenty of alternatives which don't have this risk, no matter how remote it may be. So, with all that info, and knowing I was going to be towing an RV and had potential for high heat conditions, I decided to eschew the Dex VI and use a TES-295 type product. My truck didn't make the serial number cut-off, so it was susceptible, however remote that chance might be.


OP, if you want to service your 2002 truck, I would recommend a few choices:
- any well-known brand of lube that offers a "Dex/Merc", "D/M", "D3-M" or such fluid; plenty to choose from. These will be traditional grp II/II+ type fluids. The will start with vis around 7.3cSt or so, but fall off quickly. However, the vis drop doesn't seem to affect wear control; I've seen plenty of UOA to support this conclusion.
- any quality brand which offers a synthetic version comparable to the old Dex/Merc applications. Again, there are plenty to choose from. Some will be group III, others PAO. Any will suffice and offer a longer service life due to the higher base stocks.

That's my input on the topic.
Thank you! Great info here! I did wonder quickly about old seals and such but dismissed it due to Dex6 being listed as backwards compatible. So all of this being said.....I have a few fluid options available. The Valvoline blue bottle Dex/Merc (non synthetic.) Someone above recommended Castrol Transmax High Mileage. I'm researching that. Any other recommendations that won't break the bank? I have a couple quarts of Valvoline Max Life Multi Vehicle (synthetic) leftover from my Nissan Frontier drain and fill. I can tell you that the Nissan trans absolutely LOVED that product and it shifted like a brand new unit with only a 4 quart change. How would that work? The label I believe mentioned Dex 6 compatible but I don't know if it said Dex 3.
 
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I've used Dex VI in my 2002 Tahoe since I got it with 220k miles. It's at 289k miles now and no seal leaks. My '93 Camaro with the early 4L60 (700R4) also was switched to Dex VI and had no seal leak issues. However, I've only used boutique ATF in both. The Camaro has seen only HPL "Green" Dex VI and the Tahoe got Red Line D6 initially and then HPL. It's probable they have better (or just more) seal conditioning chemistry than your common store brand Dex VI. YMMV

Perhaps HPL "Blue" (Dex III) ATF would be the compromise. You get the better synthetic base oils with the Dex III add pack.
 
Upsized radiator, alternator, battery, rear lighting relays...
Wired for trailer lights? Wired for trailer brakes?
"Next lower diff gears" to facilitate towing?
External transmission cooler or a larger loop in a HD radiator?
Possibly optional shocks
Possibly larger front brakes

Do start keeping gas mileage records. It's easy.
Does it have that 4.3l V-6 (the one made from a 350)? It drinks fuel like Niagara Falls.
The mileage is so terrible I don't bother keeping records. The vehicle has no catalytic converter, and the old poppet injectors. I plan on upgrading to a later model MPFI spider and replacing the Y-pipe when money allows.
 
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