Delo vs Rotella

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I was looking at an hdeo comparison test done by PQIA (Link) and was curious about the additive differences and the tbn.
Delo has significantly more magnesium, moly and boron is there a reason rotella chose not to use these additives? Rotella does have more calcium and a higher TBN. It seems that delo has a much better anti-wear package along with more zinc and phos, but as a newbie I do not know how big a roll the TBN plays. I've had numerous recommendations for rotella in my jeep 4.0 but looking at the numbers I'm leaning towards delo, anybody have any recommendations? I plan on 3000 OCI's just to be on the safe side if that helps.
 
Just a different approach to an additive package formulation. Not necessarily better or worse. Both are great oils. Use with confidence.
 
You're looking at great choices for the 4.0 no doubt, but 3k runs on an HDEO is not "the safe side" its just flat out dumping great oil waaaayyyyy early.

Delo definitely has more additives you can "see" but they both have proven track records, Rotella more see in the Jeep 4.0 mostly due to availability in lighter grades and numerous posted UOA's. I have used both with great results but I found Delo quieter, if I were picking between both in 10w30 I'd probably try Delo first.

I asked before but I don't remember a response, where are you finding Delo in 10w30?
 
Have you considered Valvoline premium blue (if you're looking at 15W40)? TBN is good for 2 or 3 OCIs at your intervals... 11.99 at NAPA right now.
 
I have not found it but I see it on deloperformance.com so i know it exists there is a chevron distributor in NE portland but I doubt I'll be able to get it by the gallon.
 
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
How could you possibly tell the difference in real world applications?


Simple - do a controlled series of micro-analysis UOAs. It will take about 60 UOAs total, over perhaps 300k miles.
But that is why you don't see these here at BITOG; takes too much time, money, patience and dedication. Aspects and traits that most BITOGers simply don't have, or at least are not interested in.



I will say that, presuming one runs a "normal" OCI plan, it simply won't matter which product you choose overall. The engine will likely fail from some other malady long before a lube-related issue specific to brand loyalty would ever cause it to stop running.

The PQIA info is good info, but only if you understand what it's telling you. It is NOT, repeat NOT, intended to find a "best" lube. That is NOT what the PQIA has as a goal. Their goal is to show how API qualified lubes compare/contrast. But they do NOT pick "winners" that are "best". Essentially, that PQIA info is perhaps "best" utilized in the example of showing that there are many, many roads to the same destination. While you'll see many different formulations for HDEO and PCMO products, they all do a great job of protecting the equipment.

We have literally thousands of UOAs here on BITOG that prove this out. There are thousands of examples of UOAs that show a long list of successful lubes doing their job quite well. It's hard to know which is "best", because too many folks lack the dedication to really define and find the answer, but what we can take from these UOAs is that they all show decent products do decent jobs. And most any UOA here is an example of how to under-utilize a fluid. VERY FEW extend out their OCIs to a point where real condemnation limits are met. Most OCI when they get the jitters and can't keep their hand off the wrenches, because they succumb to some arbitrary mental limit long before the lube is used up. Therefore, the UOAs here typically will never show which is "best", but they certainly can show which ones are capable of doing the minimal job most folks put them up to.

If one wants to know what is "best" for any specific application, then a large controlled series of data is required. (See my article on the homepage for UOA data understandings).

If one wants to know what is well more than good enough, then pick any API qualified lube and live long and prosper.
 
Dave, thank you for always being the voice of reason here on BITOG.
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A lot of members try to draw conclusions from VOAs/UOAs where such conclusions really cannot be drawn. I was guilty of some of it in the early days, too. But the more time you spend reviewing various results, both on paper and in real life, the more you realize there is very little difference between various oils in terms of performance and engine protection, just as long as basic API/ACEA requirements are met. One reason PQIA helps is in identifying these lubricants which claim API compliance but in reality fall short.
 
Speaking from the prospective of the Texas Garage Owners Association.

The ratings for domestic oils used in diesel applications, starts with Rotella.

After servicing all the the domestic example's available (IMO) it comes down to the sludge issue. Generally speaking if you are a typical pick-up owner, I would without any issue suggest using Rotella.
Notice: At no time have I discounted Delo. It is a fine product.

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Originally Posted By: dnewton3
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
How could you possibly tell the difference in real world applications?


Simple - do a controlled series of micro-analysis UOAs. It will take about 60 UOAs total, over perhaps 300k miles.

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... by which time the oil you started out testing has been twice superseded by new formulations, so unless you stashed enough oil at the start of the test you don't have a valid test anyway. And if you did stash enough oil for the whole test, then you have a SUPERB test of an oil that no one else can go buy anymore :-p
 
2000NWXJ, you can not go wrong with either oil. Shell's Rotella is the most popular among semi truck owner-operators. It is not the most popular among truck fleets. Neither one leaves its users stuck on the side of the road (more often than any other top quality oil
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You cannot tell how an oil will perform given a partial list of its ingredients. It is like trying to know how this year's Pillsbury Bake-Off winner chocolate cake will taste compared to last year's winner based on the list of ingredients. The whole package of ingredients matters, which includes how each ingredient interacts with the other ingredients. The virgin oil analyses are for interest, not for picking winners.
 
I have several c-15's and c-18's in the 50,000-60,000 hour range. They have never seen anything other than Delo 15w40LE. Only thing ever done to them was to run the overhead every 3-4k. Also have several 3500 series engines in the >40k hour range.

All on very extended OCI's with a whole lot of data.

I cannot say what the best is but I do know of a product that works extremely well.
 
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I started back in using Delo 5-6 months ago. Can't believe I dumped $$ down the tube for 12 years. I have been running Rotella T 5W-40 for the last 12 years and decided to start running Delo again, don't notice a dang difference. Honestly been throwing my money down the tube. The true test, with this new truck ( I do 50-55K a year of driving, pulling trailers) is to see if it'll make it to the 350K or better mark ANY better than the last 2 trucks I ran for that length of time, (7.3L, 6.0L, both Powerstrokes). I understand the test isn't fair, technology, engines are not the same, BUT, bet Delo does the same. I got caught up in the synthetic hype I guess. I have an '02 Excursion, switched from Delo to Rotella T just after 9 months of ownership and now Delo is in it again, and I bet it goes just as far, in fact, it sounds better! : ),
 
My Step Father is a Turbo and Fuel Injector tech and deals with Diesel trucks and Glow Plus and he swears by the Rotella.

Says its head and shoulders above the others.

He says it always has and always will be.

and Like I said he has been in the Diesel business for years
 
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