CVT Rocks

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: philipp10
Originally Posted By: Trav
My niece had to have a Nissan Rogue, I told her not to buy it because of the CVT and she bought it anyway. They have repaired it 4 times and now its in the dealer again totally blown this time. The car is being repaired under warranty but geez what a PITA this thing is.

These CVT transmissions are trouble waiting to happen plain and simple, the technology used today in these units was developed for a 22 HP engine in a small car (DAF 600), you don't need a engineering degree to understand you cant move a belt metal reinforced or otherwise up and down conical pulleys without something wearing out quickly under certain conditions like cars driven mostly in town like this one is.
IMO CVT is just another example of horrible technology driven by fuel economy regulations and nothing more. Personally I wouldn't want a car with one as a gift.

Most of your post was pure [censored]. You honestly think all these manufacturers are betting the farm on a bad technology? I don't.


Manufacturers have been using technology they know is bad and continue using it for a long time even after being sued in some cases. If you don't like my post or opinion tough [censored], that's the way it is.

 

[CKN]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: philipp10
Originally Posted By: Trav
My niece had to have a Nissan Rogue, I told her not to buy it because of the CVT and she bought it anyway. They have repaired it 4 times and now its in the dealer again totally blown this time. The car is being repaired under warranty but geez what a PITA this thing is.

These CVT transmissions are trouble waiting to happen plain and simple, the technology used today in these units was developed for a 22 HP engine in a small car (DAF 600), you don't need a engineering degree to understand you cant move a belt metal reinforced or otherwise up and down conical pulleys without something wearing out quickly under certain conditions like cars driven mostly in town like this one is.
IMO CVT is just another example of horrible technology driven by fuel economy regulations and nothing more. Personally I wouldn't want a car with one as a gift.

Most of your post was pure [censored]. You honestly think all these manufacturers are betting the farm on a bad technology? I don't.


Manufacturers have been using technology they know is bad and continue using it for a long time even after being sued in some cases. If you don't like my post or opinion tough [censored], that's the way it is.


Yep-that's why auto manufacturers had a record year last year....they continue to make junk......

 

[CKN]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: philipp10
Originally Posted By: Trav
My niece had to have a Nissan Rogue, I told her not to buy it because of the CVT and she bought it anyway. They have repaired it 4 times and now its in the dealer again totally blown this time. The car is being repaired under warranty but geez what a PITA this thing is.

These CVT transmissions are trouble waiting to happen plain and simple, the technology used today in these units was developed for a 22 HP engine in a small car (DAF 600), you don't need a engineering degree to understand you cant move a belt metal reinforced or otherwise up and down conical pulleys without something wearing out quickly under certain conditions like cars driven mostly in town like this one is.
IMO CVT is just another example of horrible technology driven by fuel economy regulations and nothing more. Personally I wouldn't want a car with one as a gift.

Most of your post was pure [censored]. You honestly think all these manufacturers are betting the farm on a bad technology? I don't.


Manufacturers have been using technology they know is bad and continue using it for a long time even after being sued in some cases. If you don't like my post or opinion tough [censored], that's the way it is.



Yep-you probably wouldn't want anything made within the last two decades or so....as a gift.

 

[Trav]

 

[CKN]

If you don't want to read my comments I hear the ignore list works real well here on BITOG.

 

[JTK]

It amazes me that a technology that's been fairly mainstream for years now still brings out such strong emotion, opinion or what ever you want to call it. I happen to like CVTs in my daily drivers. I've only clocked about 60K miles in them thus far. Not the most experienced, but surely more time with them than most with the strong statements.

 

[cronk]

Originally Posted By: JTK
I like CVTs so much, both vehicles in our fleet now have them. My 2016 Subaru Forester and our newest addition, a 2016 Nissan Quest SV. I had a 2012 Legacy that was an awesome CVT as well.



My wife has an 11 Quest CVT that has about 75k miles. It has been a fantastic vehicle so far. Respectable mileage, nice power and acceleration and a super smooth ride.
Only thing I have done to it besides oil changes was a throttle body cleaning at 50k, a rear brake job at around 68k, and I changed the CVT fluid at 48k.

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: CKN
If you don't want to read my comments I hear the ignore list works real well here on BITOG.

You were just piling on with a useless comment and nothing more, that makes you a troll.

Originally Posted By: CKN
Yep-you probably wouldn't want anything made within the last two decades or so....as a gift.


You don't know me and certainly have no idea what I probably want or don't want.

Edit: Interesting thread.

http://www.nissanversaforums.com/new-members/30850-cvt-problem.html

http://gotaclassaction.com/nissan-named-in-class-action-lawsuit-over-defective-transmissions/

https://www.bigclassaction.com/settlement/nissan-settles-transmission-class-action-lawsuits.php

 

[JTK]

Originally Posted By: cronk
Originally Posted By: JTK
I like CVTs so much, both vehicles in our fleet now have them. My 2016 Subaru Forester and our newest addition, a 2016 Nissan Quest SV. I had a 2012 Legacy that was an awesome CVT as well.



My wife has an 11 Quest CVT that has about 75k miles. It has been a fantastic vehicle so far. Respectable mileage, nice power and acceleration and a super smooth ride.
Only thing I have done to it besides oil changes was a throttle body cleaning at 50k, a rear brake job at around 68k, and I changed the CVT fluid at 48k.


Cronk, good to know! They are kind of an odd-ball for minivans given you don't see many of them, but it's what the bride wanted. Apparently the 2015-16 have some mechanical differences from the 2011-14. My 2016 was a Hertz rental from CA. Bought it "certified used" for ~$18K with a 100K mile b/b warranty. It's got 31K miles on it.

 

[CKN]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: CKN
If you don't want to read my comments I hear the ignore list works real well here on BITOG.

You were just piling on with a useless comment and nothing more, that makes you a troll.

Originally Posted By: CKN
Yep-you probably wouldn't want anything made within the last two decades or so....as a gift.


You don't know me and certainly have no idea what I probably want or don't want.

Edit: Interesting thread.

http://www.nissanversaforums.com/new-members/30850-cvt-problem.html

http://gotaclassaction.com/nissan-named-in-class-action-lawsuit-over-defective-transmissions/

https://www.bigclassaction.com/settlement/nissan-settles-transmission-class-action-lawsuits.php


Again-feel free to use the ignore button. It's the ones with the issues that complain. The happy owners don't post. There are lawyers out there that hunt for anything they can put in to a "class action lawsuit". The lawyers make millions-everyone else gets a coupon for a free oil change.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: CKN
If you don't want to read my comments I hear the ignore list works real well here on BITOG.

You were just piling on with a useless comment and nothing more, that makes you a troll.

Originally Posted By: CKN
Yep-you probably wouldn't want anything made within the last two decades or so....as a gift.


You don't know me and certainly have no idea what I probably want or don't want.

Edit: Interesting thread.

http://www.nissanversaforums.com/new-members/30850-cvt-problem.html

http://gotaclassaction.com/nissan-named-in-class-action-lawsuit-over-defective-transmissions/

https://www.bigclassaction.com/settlement/nissan-settles-transmission-class-action-lawsuits.php


After spending a week using my father's Subaru Impreza, and having a few rentals with CVT I'll avoid it for as long as humanly possible. After driving it and not liking it I read up on it too. I wasn't surprised to see how many people were unhappy with it. Maybe they have it down pat in farm equipment, but in cars at the present time it's big no thanks for me. My father won't be buying another car with one either. Opinions vary, that's mine.

 

[CKN]

Originally Posted By: JTK
It amazes me that a technology that's been fairly mainstream for years now still brings out such strong emotion, opinion or what ever you want to call it. I happen to like CVTs in my daily drivers. I've only clocked about 60K miles in them thus far. Not the most experienced, but surely more time with them than most with the strong statements.



Let's be clear-the main reason they are not liked-is that the average shade tree mechanic on BITOG can't work on them-hence they must be bad. The thing is-automatics are getting just as sophisticated-with upcoming 10 and 12 speeds, that they to will beyond the realm of most on here.

Secondary-if you spend anytime on here at all-it is quite evident there is new tech phobia on here-BIG TIME.
It's not the "good old days" many wish it were.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: CKN
Originally Posted By: JTK
It amazes me that a technology that's been fairly mainstream for years now still brings out such strong emotion, opinion or what ever you want to call it. I happen to like CVTs in my daily drivers. I've only clocked about 60K miles in them thus far. Not the most experienced, but surely more time with them than most with the strong statements.



Let's be clear-the main reason they are not liked-is that the average shade tree mechanic on BITOG can't work on them-hence they must be bad. The thing is-automatics are getting just as sophisticated-with upcoming 10 and 12 speeds, that they to will beyond the realm of most on here.

Secondary-if you spend anytime on here at all-it is quite evident there is new tech phobia on here-BIG TIME.
It's not the "good old days" many wish it were.


For some of us this so called new tech phobia is based on experience. There are people who got burnt by being early adopters buying in on the newest, supposedly latest and greatest technology. So we wait for someone else to try it and report back. It seems a lot of the final testing is done by consumers, and they don't even know it. That strategy has saved me and a lot of other people headaches over the years.

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: CKN
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: CKN
If you don't want to read my comments I hear the ignore list works real well here on BITOG.

You were just piling on with a useless comment and nothing more, that makes you a troll.

Originally Posted By: CKN
Yep-you probably wouldn't want anything made within the last two decades or so....as a gift.


You don't know me and certainly have no idea what I probably want or don't want.

Edit: Interesting thread.

http://www.nissanversaforums.com/new-members/30850-cvt-problem.html

http://gotaclassaction.com/nissan-named-in-class-action-lawsuit-over-defective-transmissions/

https://www.bigclassaction.com/settlement/nissan-settles-transmission-class-action-lawsuits.php


Again-feel free to use the ignore button. It's the ones with the issues that complain. The happy owners don't post. There are lawyers out there that hunt for anything they can put in to a "class action lawsuit". The lawyers make millions-everyone else gets a coupon for a free oil change.



I don't need the safe space of an ignore button like some snowflake to avoid a couple of trolls. If you don't like my opinion or my post put me on ignore.
Whats your problem, someone with 45 years of real world experience in the trade and in regular contact with dealers and zone offices doesn't share the same opinion as you so they must be living decades ago and don't appreciate new tech if the cant fix it in the backyard.

This thread offers no more information and has become a waste of time.

 

[WhizkidTN]

My first CVT is in the wife's '14 Rogue which is the first year (I know...) of Nissan's internally designed CVT (non-Jatco or ZF). Getting used to the "rubber-band" effect is a bit unsettling at first but after a while you get used to it. I think it could use some firmware tuning to make it better. In fact, I'm taking the CUV in to the dealer tomorrow to get the free CVT TCM reprogramming due to an issue that could cause premature belt wear. I also have had the dealership do the CVT fluid drain/fill (~$130) at ~32K miles and will do so every 30K miles - just in case.

Due to transmissions in general (last two cars of mine the automatic trans died), I purchased an extended warranty 10yr/120K mile bumper to bumper deal - just in case I have any issues down the road.

It is somewhat funny in that at times under certain conditions when you get on it (the Rogue is underpowered in my opinion) it "acts" like a normal stepped gear automatic transmission. I'm sure the greatest complaint to Nissan about all their cars is how the CVT acts differently (but mostly correctly) from what people know - their "normal" 6-speed automatic.

Apart from the CVT, the CUV drives very well and is a great around-town and road car for us. Time will tell.
Have had zero problems with the vehicle and pretty pleased with it.

 

[KrisZ]

The nature of the CVT makes it inherently a weaker design than a traditional automatic transmission. It's a fact and has nothing to do with being technologically adverse. Through complex engineering solutions these transmissions are now at an acceptable level, but they are still inherently weaker.

 

[PimTac]

I like automatics but the newer ones with many speeds keeping hunting for the right gear, most likely for fuel economy reasons. I've heard the newer CVTs, 2016 and on are better. More response for when you need it like passing etc.

I have also read the CVTs are finicky as to what kind of fluid goes in. OEM would be safe and a 30k fluid change interval might be beneficial.

 

[PimTac]

"My first CVT is in the wife's '14 Rogue which is the first year (I know...) of Nissan's internally designed CVT (non-Jatco or ZF). "



I believe they still come from Jatco due to the fact Nissan owns them. Nissan however did put a lot of pressure on Jatco after the issues came to a head around 2014 I think.

 

[philipp10]

Originally Posted By: Trav



so no competing opinions allowed?

 

[philipp10]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: CKN
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: CKN
If you don't want to read my comments I hear the ignore list works real well here on BITOG.

You were just piling on with a useless comment and nothing more, that makes you a troll.

Originally Posted By: CKN
Yep-you probably wouldn't want anything made within the last two decades or so....as a gift.


You don't know me and certainly have no idea what I probably want or don't want.

Edit: Interesting thread.

http://www.nissanversaforums.com/new-members/30850-cvt-problem.html

http://gotaclassaction.com/nissan-named-in-class-action-lawsuit-over-defective-transmissions/

https://www.bigclassaction.com/settlement/nissan-settles-transmission-class-action-lawsuits.php


Again-feel free to use the ignore button. It's the ones with the issues that complain. The happy owners don't post. There are lawyers out there that hunt for anything they can put in to a "class action lawsuit". The lawyers make millions-everyone else gets a coupon for a free oil change.



I don't need the safe space of an ignore button like some snowflake to avoid a couple of trolls. If you don't like my opinion or my post put me on ignore.
Whats your problem, someone with 45 years of real world experience in the trade and in regular contact with dealers and zone offices doesn't share the same opinion as you so they must be living decades ago and don't appreciate new tech if the cant fix it in the backyard.

This thread offers no more information and has become a waste of time.


Well if you want, lets get down to the facts on the CVT verses you standard automatic and compare longevity. There have been good and bad in both. Making a blanket "not in my driveway" statement is not exactly proving a case one way or another.