CVPI's are tough

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One of our deputies was in a head on crash last week. I figured impact speed about 30 MPH. He was transporting a prisoner and a 2002 Taurus hit him roughly head on (offset crash). All parties were transported to the hospital. The Deputy and Prisoner were precautionary and pretty much walked away.

2007 Crown Vic. Vehicle is totaled (roof is buckled). We are pulling usable parts this week. The battery is a temporary, to test the radios and other electrics. The original battery was smashed. Frame is bent, windshield has induced cracks at the rearview mirror and lower cowling.

These cars are tough as nails. Sad that FORD is discontinuing them.

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Dave
 
They modified the position of the gas tank. We have had several rear-ended over the past few years. No boom, just a PO'd deputy.

I hope the new Taurus Interceptor will be as tough, but I doubt it, being uni-body.

Dave
 
Still a lot to be said about a full size car with body on frame construction. I regularly travel to Chicago on business and got caught in whiteout conditions at the bottom of Lake Michigan last January on I94. For a rental I had a Ford Expedition EL. I felt a whole lot safer in that gargantuan Ford than I would in something like a Kia Spectra or a Chevy Cobalt. MPG isn't the only game in town. Safety says a lot too.
 
Our Deputies are not looking forward to being re-trained for FWD dynamics, etc. These cars take a beating. PIT manuvers, median crashing, boxing in, etc. Not only that, but they have so much room for the laptop, files, ticket books, ride-alongs, etc. They are not real fast, but at 100 mph, very stable and the brakes are top-notch. We pay about 20-21K dollars for a CVPI, but the new Interceptor is going to be over 30 base. The Impala's are busting motor mounts due to the torque and police driving.

We may go to the Caprice when it is available. Right now, we are buying as many 10-11 CVPI's as we can.

Dave
 
Originally Posted By: Deltona_Dave
They modified the position of the gas tank. We have had several rear-ended over the past few years. No boom, just a PO'd deputy.

I hope the new Taurus Interceptor will be as tough, but I doubt it, being uni-body.

Dave


Do you have any real reason for thinking that body on frame is stronger than unibody?
 
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Wouldnt work with you '00. If you are looking for a vehicle that isnt listed in your sig, ignore me.

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Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: Deltona_Dave
They modified the position of the gas tank. We have had several rear-ended over the past few years. No boom, just a PO'd deputy.

I hope the new Taurus Interceptor will be as tough, but I doubt it, being uni-body.

Dave


Do you have any real reason for thinking that body on frame is stronger than unibody?


Said politely, mm "You have to be kidding, right?? A fully boxed frame's strength vs a uni-body??
 
Originally Posted By: Summerwind
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: Deltona_Dave
They modified the position of the gas tank. We have had several rear-ended over the past few years. No boom, just a PO'd deputy.

I hope the new Taurus Interceptor will be as tough, but I doubt it, being uni-body.

Dave


Do you have any real reason for thinking that body on frame is stronger than unibody?


Said politely, mm "You have to be kidding, right?? A fully boxed frame's strength vs a uni-body??




Maybe so. But for an everyday car, it is much heavier. In anything but a truck, there is no reason for it. There is no point.
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: Summerwind
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: Deltona_Dave
They modified the position of the gas tank. We have had several rear-ended over the past few years. No boom, just a PO'd deputy.

I hope the new Taurus Interceptor will be as tough, but I doubt it, being uni-body.

Dave


Do you have any real reason for thinking that body on frame is stronger than unibody?


Said politely, mm "You have to be kidding, right?? A fully boxed frame's strength vs a uni-body??




Maybe so. But for an everyday car, it is much heavier. In anything but a truck, there is no reason for it. There is no point.


Body shops everywhere beg to differ.
 
Better jump on it real quick then. 2011 is the final year.

I have seen where the Vic was called a truck in disguise as a car. Compared to more modern cars, that pretty much sums it up. Personally, I like it for that.
 
Originally Posted By: Summerwind
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: Deltona_Dave
They modified the position of the gas tank. We have had several rear-ended over the past few years. No boom, just a PO'd deputy.

I hope the new Taurus Interceptor will be as tough, but I doubt it, being uni-body.

Dave


Do you have any real reason for thinking that body on frame is stronger than unibody?


Said politely, mm "You have to be kidding, right?? A fully boxed frame's strength vs a uni-body??



Its all in the design...
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/safety.aspx?year=2003&make=Ford&model=F-150&trimid=-1
Unit bodies in general should be much stiffer for their weight. Which should make handling much more consistent, which should be better for high speed driving. Really for police use, I think FWD cars should have much more forgiving handling than a RWD solid axle car. Broken pavement or washboard comes to mind.
 
Here is the other vehicle involved. 2002 Taurus. I still think a full sized vehicle has the advantage. Plus a frame is easier to straighten with less chance of "dog walking" than a uni-body.

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Dave
 
Nick, you are right about that. The passenger of the Taurus was airlifted to the local trauma center. The driver of the T and the Deputy walked to the ambulance and were sent for observation.

Wife's Altima is uni-body, rides nice and has an excellent NTSHA crash rating. So does my Titan. Altima definitely rides better.

Ford has come a long way, most of their vehicles have good crash ratings.

As a former Traffic Homicide Investigator/Accident Re constructionist, Larger vehicles (mass) tend to fare better in crashes. Physics....


Dave
 
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