current state of computer market

Costco for the win.
Honestly as much as I love Costco, their PC selection sucks and the prices are nothing special. Just my opinion. Keeping mind I need specific hardware they are not a good choice. For a mainstream consumer OK with whatever limited options they have where the longer warranty is the best part of the system, by all means, check Costco :)
 
What are the "variety of reasons" laptops make sense for the application? Mobility would be the obvious reason to infer - but do all of your computers need to be mobile?

Multiple reasons laptops are better than desktops for my homelab use case.

Most important reason is power consumption. When you have PG&E, this matters. Look up the rates if you aren't in our area, you likely don't understand this.

Sorta related to power consumption... laptops have a built in battery backup that goes for hours. Yes I can buy UPS's and mini PCs but that ends up more expensive, less efficient overall.

Also generally cheaper generic Amazon/etc mini PCs that would give me the same specs include trash-tier generic SSDs that simply don't last. If I buy an efficient small form factor desktop from a "legit" company like Lenovo, Dell, etc. they're MORE expensive than buying laptops. And I still have to have them on a UPS.

I can custom build PCs all day long... but they're going to be big and ineffecient. When you are already running a 1kw AI server, a workstation/gaming PC, and the rest of your homelab on a single 15A circuit, the less power your stuff uses the better. I can easily manage peak loads (not play games and run AI workloads at the same time, for example) but the constant load of various services I have running on my other systems needs to be as low as possible.

Or I can buy a laptop that sips power, has a built in battery, and includes a quality SSD from an OEM like Samsung or comparable.

And if/when my needs change, laptops are generally more useful for other things and are generally quicker to sell on the used market. Cheaper to ship them too!

At the end of the day, I'm not CPU-constrained on these systems, I'm not running them at full load all the time, and while it seems "wasteful" to pay for a screen that I only use for like 15 minutes to install Proxmox it ultimately makes a lot of sense.
 
I haven't used a pre-built machine since I was 13. What is this pre-built buying nonsense?

:ROFLMAO:

The difference nowadays is minimal and towards the favor of pre-built/OEMs. I just priced out a comparable PC on pcpartpicker compared to the Dell Pro workstation I just ordered for work and the difference is $300 cheaper for the Dell. Granted the PSU in the dell is a paltry 180 watts but sufficient enough for a SFF/low-profile workstation.
 
Multiple reasons laptops are better than desktops for my homelab use case.

Most important reason is power consumption. When you have PG&E, this matters. Look up the rates if you aren't in our area, you likely don't understand this.

Sorta related to power consumption... laptops have a built in battery backup that goes for hours. Yes I can buy UPS's and mini PCs but that ends up more expensive, less efficient overall.

Also generally cheaper generic Amazon/etc mini PCs that would give me the same specs include trash-tier generic SSDs that simply don't last. If I buy an efficient small form factor desktop from a "legit" company like Lenovo, Dell, etc. they're MORE expensive than buying laptops. And I still have to have them on a UPS.

I can custom build PCs all day long... but they're going to be big and ineffecient. When you are already running a 1kw AI server, a workstation/gaming PC, and the rest of your homelab on a single 15A circuit, the less power your stuff uses the better. I can easily manage peak loads (not play games and run AI workloads at the same time, for example) but the constant load of various services I have running on my other systems needs to be as low as possible.

Or I can buy a laptop that sips power, has a built in battery, and includes a quality SSD from an OEM like Samsung or comparable.

And if/when my needs change, laptops are generally more useful for other things and are generally quicker to sell on the used market. Cheaper to ship them too!

At the end of the day, I'm not CPU-constrained on these systems, I'm not running them at full load all the time, and while it seems "wasteful" to pay for a screen that I only use for like 15 minutes to install Proxmox it ultimately makes a lot of sense.
Fair enough - I was genuinely curious. My tinkering leans more toward solar/battery storage, and microcontrollers than AI servers, so I was definitely a bit blind to where your bottleneck might be. If you need to make all of that happen with the constraints you've explained, laptops seem like a sane approach.

In my case, I have a surplus of generation in my shed, so I'm constantly trying to send things like 3D printers and dryers out there to burn the available power.
 
I'm currently rocking a Lenovo T480 i5-8 Gen, (circa 2018), running Linux Debian. If I need Windows at home, I can log into my server and run it on a VM, but that doesn't happen often, or I have a Windows LT I boot up when I need to run Forscan. I'm plenty happy with this setup, and the hardware has been solid. I work with Windows all day at work, and I'd much rather use this, although I wish I was better with it sometimes. Has it been trouble free? No, but once I switched from CachyOS to Debian, it became much more solid, and it's great for general use.
 
I just had to buy my wife a new laptop as someone (me) bricked the 2017 MacBook Pro trying to force an update so she could run office 365 for school. I know there are alternatives, but her school gives tutorials for office exclusively and gives her a "free" thing for office.

For $999.99+tax I got her a 14" Lenovo Yoga 2 in 1 with an AMD Ryzen AI 7 445 CPU, 32gb RAM, gorgeous OLED touchscreen, and 512gb MVMe. Also has a backlit keyboard that isn't awful to type on but I have low standards in that department, she's more than okay with it. It was on some sort of flash sale, original price was $1,449.... They had the lower spec model (Ryzen 5, 16gb RAM, 512gb nvme) still marked $1,199.99, made that choice obvious lol.

I haven't seriously used windows since 7 and a little bit of 10.... Onedrive is malware however and you can't change my mind on that.
 
I live off dual monitor docking of laptops.
Different offices on the road - hotels - home office …
Company or personal laptop …
The Zoom pandemic lives on!
 
I'm currently rocking a Lenovo T480 i5-8 Gen, (circa 2018), running Linux Debian. If I need Windows at home, I can log into my server and run it on a VM, but that doesn't happen often, or I have a Windows LT I boot up when I need to run Forscan. I'm plenty happy with this setup, and the hardware has been solid. I work with Windows all day at work, and I'd much rather use this, although I wish I was better with it sometimes. Has it been trouble free? No, but once I switched from CachyOS to Debian, it became much more solid, and it's great for general use.
I recently installed Forscan on an old ThinkPad running Zorin OS under Wine. I only needed it to cycle the anti-lock brakes on an Escape, but it worked fine.
 
Then under what circumstances precisely are we expected to need to use one of these things?! :)
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Do those Windows computers still get viruses?
Any device, any OS, can get a "virus" or infected or compromised.

The most concerning vector right now is supply chain vulnerabilities. Whether it's compromising a popular package on npm that then gets put into a bunch of projects or an AI model looking something up online and running the code on the developer's machine, these things happen every day, and not just on vibe-coders machines - experience senior developers at major tech companies.
 
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I went with a bottom shelf Acer laptop from Costco when my old Lenovo died last year. All I do is internet stuff like BITOG, FB, document storing and printing, pay some bills, and go down the YouTube rabbit hole every now and then, so it meets my needs just fine. My only complaint is the lack of a backlit keyboard. I really miss that, but the only ones I could find with one were either a lot more expensive and just more computer than I needed, or there was some other trade off I didn't like. I really don't understand that because that couldn't possibly cost that much more.
 
Any device, any OS, can get a "virus" or infected or compromised.

The most concerning vector right now is supply chain vulnerabilities. Whether it's compromising a popular package on npm that then gets put into a bunch of projects or an AI model looking something up online and running the code on the developer's machine, these things happen every day, and not just on vibe-coders machines - experience senior developers at major tech companies.
Yes and none of us need that little spy camera or Microphone everyone installs.
 
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