CTEK + Odyssey = New Charger

Is there any reason why a Noco 5 or similar would work on an odyssey? $110 for a 5 amp isn’t terrible, I’m just trying to figure out the “glass slipper” side of these batteries.
 
I had temperatures around 25F in my garage a couple weeks ago and my bluetooth monitor stated my Battery Minder AGM charger was floating at 13.80vt during that time. It is now around 56F and floating at 13.54. The battery is an Interstate Group 48/H6 AGM.
What is the upper limit for float on an Odyssey?

My Noco genius 5 has temp compensation and an agm setting. I just went and checked on my wife’s 24 with an agm and it’s floating at 12.69. Seems mighty low?
 
My Noco genius 5 has temp compensation and an agm setting. I just went and checked on my wife’s 24 with an agm and it’s floating at 12.69. Seems mighty low?
Yes, much too low for flooded or AGM. I bought a used Battery Minder wall wart charger from a garage sale a few years ago that was doing the same....I threw it in the trash.

I would give NOCO a call and ask them what can be done.
 
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Is there any reason why a Noco 5 or similar would work on an odyssey? $110 for a 5 amp isn’t terrible, I’m just trying to figure out the “glass slipper” side of these batteries.
I'm sure it will work, any properly operating battery tender will "work" on an Odyssey. I used a standard NAPA 1.5amp battery tender on one many years ago without issue. But if you want to maximize the life, I would use an approved battery tender on their list. You are spending $300+ for an Odyssey battery, why would you not invest a bit on the battery tender to ensure long life?

I listed links previously in this thread, the Battery Minder 2012AGM is only $102, but its algorithm is dedicated to Odyssey battery requirements. I use it on regular AGMs without issue...for years now.

The 128CEC2 is a bit more at $185 on the link I provided, but is very versatile. It as 2,4,8 amp settings, has a dedicated Odysssey setting, as well as flooded/standard AGM setting, and a lithium setting. I am planning to buy another one of these when the retailer I linked gets more in stock...they said in a week or two.

The Odyssey charger for $111 is not that bad, and looks pretty versatile with various settings for different chemistry types. I'm just a little biased as I have not had good luck with Ctek battery charger/maintainers. But I know they do have many satisfied customers.
 
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I may not have had a good connection, It was freezing cold so I moved quick. Taking a little more time, the Noco was floating at 13.69 so it seems to be good. I’m also going by northern tool tomorrow on the way to the airport and am going to pick up a couple of the battery minders. They’re on sale for $25 and seem to have all the features I need.
 
I'm sure it will work, any properly operating battery tender will "work" on an Odyssey. I used a standard NAPA 1.5amp battery tender on one many years ago without issue. But if you want to maximize the life, I would use an approved battery tender on their list. You are spending $300+ .
Thanks for the info.
 
Is there any reason why a Noco 5 or similar would work on an odyssey? $110 for a 5 amp isn’t terrible, I’m just trying to figure out the “glass slipper” side of these batteries.
Ive been using non agm optimate 6 5 amp chargers for about a decade now on all my odysseys - oldest one is now at 15 years old.
 
I’m also going by northern tool tomorrow on the way to the airport and am going to pick up a couple of the battery minders. They’re on sale for $25 and seem to have all the features I need.
Warning on the $25 wall wart 1 amp Battery Minder sold by Northern Tools. It seems to float at a lower voltage than my larger, more expensive battery minders. It supposedly has temperature compensation and has the same thermo probe as them. but floats in my cold garage (upper 30s) at around 13.5 where my others will float at 13.7 to 13.8. Also during a 24 hour cycle, I do not see much voltage change from temperature compensation. The 1 amp Battery Minder may adjust by only .06vt where I can see up to .15 or more change during the same temperature range. In other words the 1 amp Battery Minder seems to float at a lower, less than ideal voltage and the temperature compensation does have as much effect on voltage.

This lower float voltage is definitely below the spec that Odyssey specifies.

I do note in the instructions that the 1 amp Battery Minder uses a different algorithm to their more expensive Battery Minder products. the 1 amp Battery Minder is "9 steps" where the regular versions are "5 step". Overall the cheaper 1 amp Battery Minder is "okay", but is the reason I plan to buy another 128CEC2 and relegate 1 amp to "back up" use.

I called Battery Minder to ask about the differences, and their technician assured me it is operating normally.
I also noted when I first connect up the 1 amp Battery Minder to a car I just drove, it can take like a day or more to get to the float mode. Where my other Battery Minders can reach float in 1 to 4 hours (at 2 amp setting). Again, the guy said this is normal (and can take up to four days before it would time out), but I don't want my battery getting 14.7 volts of charge even at 1amp for a day or two before it starts floating....so I instead simply hit the button on the front of the wall wart and force it into float mode immediately.
 
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I just grabbed a pair them. You can force these into maintenance mode so I’ll test the voltage before charging . For that price I’ll use them somewhere even if they’re a cheapened up version. The reviews at northern tool seem to be mostly positive, we shall see.
 
I gave my NOCO away. It was a nice one too, but the algorithm is so conservative it’s only useful for a very new battery, or a very slow charge. CTEK has a better algorithm, while not being as well built (the NOCO is built to a very high assembly standard). 5A is the sweet spot for a NOCO charger - it will seldom need more than 3 with its programming.
 
If Odyseey wants a float voltage of 13.6 then I’d use the cheap moto power. It floats at 13.6 like clockwork regardless of the temp. The pro logix also has an agm setting and floats at the same voltage. Odysseys approved list looks like a dexos money grab. Lots of folks will slap them in their cars and spend their lives being charged by whatever the alternator supplies.
 
If Odyseey wants a float voltage of 13.6 then I’d use the cheap moto power. It floats at 13.6 like clockwork regardless of the temp. The pro logix also has an agm setting and floats at the same voltage. Odysseys approved list looks like a dexos money grab. Lots of folks will slap them in their cars and spend their lives being charged by whatever the alternator supplies.
Odyssey also wants the float voltage temperature compensated at a specific rate. Higher when colder, and lower when hotter ambient temperatures. The 13.6vt is specifically at 77F.

Whether this really extends battery life may be debatable, but Odessey recommends it.
 
Odyssey also wants the float voltage temperature compensated at a specific rate. Higher when colder, and lower when hotter ambient temperatures. The 13.6vt is specifically at 77F.

Whether this really extends battery life may be debatable, but Odessey recommends it.
Id be interested to know how many people who have odysseys have turned their key and never thought twice about a charger. I know until recently, I was that guy. Now I’m willing to chart and log and spend to make a $100 battery last 8 yrs. Heck, I’ve always gotten 4 yrs out of my batteries and maybe charged them once or twice. Now if my cars are at home, they’re getting charged with 1 of 8 different set ups. I’m nearing retirement and almost an empty nester.
 
Odyssey also wants the float voltage temperature compensated at a specific rate. Higher when colder, and lower when hotter ambient temperatures. The 13.6vt is specifically at 77F.

Whether this really extends battery life may be debatable, but Odessey recommends it.
My local pawn shop has a 2012 new in a box for $35 (not agm). Any issues using this on an agm that isn’t odyssey or optima? Seems like a good deal. It also comes with a 12 ft extension cable.
 
My local pawn shop has a 2012 new in a box for $35 (not agm). Any issues using this on an agm that isn’t odyssey or optima? Seems like a good deal. It also comes with a 12 ft extension cable.
The Battery Minder 2012 is fine for regular AGM batteries. The 2012 AGM is for Odyssey and Optima specifically.
Call them if you have concerns. If it is truly NIB, it should come in a plastic clam shell package, and include both clamps and ring mount adapters. Also a printed instruction book. Even used, that would be a good deal if it works and is in decent shape.

Best price online is $92 with free shipping and no tax.
https://www.batterystuff.com/batter...2-amp-charger-maintainer-desulfator-2012.html
 
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The Battery Minder 2012 is fine for regular AGM batteries. The 2012 AGM is for Odyssey and Optima specifically.
Call them if you have concerns. If it is truly NIB, it should come in a plastic clam shell package, and include both clamps and ring mount adapters. Also a printed instruction book. Even used, that would be a good deal if it works and is in decent shape.

Best price online is $92 with free shipping and no tax.
https://www.batterystuff.com/batter...2-amp-charger-maintainer-desulfator-2012.html
It’s in plastic packaging. I grabbed it, because why not at that price. I looked up the price of the charger and the cord and this was a screaming good deal.
 
So I used the 2012 and my gosh is it slow. My Pulsetech will take a battery, charge it and maintain in a few hrs. This thing is 5 hrs in and still at 50% on a battery that was fully charged this morning and ran errands today. Borderline northern tool battery minder with some actual feedback. At this point I’m fully in the Pulsetech camp with, dare I say, motopower, Noco genius 5, then pro logix (clore atomotive) with battery minder pulling up the rear. Pro logix is slow but not this slow.
 
So I used the 2012 and my gosh is it slow. My Pulsetech will take a battery, charge it and maintain in a few hrs. This thing is 5 hrs in and still at 50% on a battery that was fully charged this morning and ran errands today. Borderline northern tool battery minder with some actual feedback. At this point I’m fully in the Pulsetech camp with, dare I say, motopower, Noco genius 5, then pro logix (clore atomotive) with battery minder pulling up the rear. Pro logix is slow but not this slow.
Your expectations are misdirected. Speed is not a function of performance. The 2012 is a 2 amp charger, the Northern Tool version is 1amp. Of course they will take longer. Two to four times longer than the 4 amp Pulse Tech. If you want a faster charge, get a higher output maintainer. But understand every battery manufacturer will tell you that "low and slow" is always better for battery longevity. Speed may make you feel better...but what is your hurry? These are "maintainers" primarily, not chargers.

From the Optima website:
  • Low and slow is best. A low-amp charger (one to 12 amps) is generally the best choice for charging any lead-acid battery. It's quicker to charge at higher amperage, but it also can generate a lot of heat, which reduces the life of a battery, just like the heat of summer.

I have Battery Minder (two in fact) with adjustable output up to 8amps. But even their instructions caution that the lower settings are preferred, so I normally run them at 2 amps. I only use 4 amps when charging two batteries at the same time, which is Battery Minders recommendation. They say to only use the 8amp setting for charging and maintaining Odyssey batteries. At the 2 amp setting, they are usually in float mode within 3 to 4 hours on my cars. I ran it at 4 amps a couple times and it was on float in 1 to 2 hours. I imagine on the 8 amp setting it will reach float in 10 or 12 minutes.

If your only quality parameter is speed, then you should only purchase battery charger/maintainers of 4 amp or greater, or it will not meet your expectations.

You have quite a mix of charger/maintainers...some have temperature compensation, some do not, some have pulse (high frequency) to reduce sulfation...some do not. You should focus your purchases on the parameters most important to you and stick with those.
 
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