Thanks Wheel! Good to know. My Defender's are new,..so I am hoping I have at least some grip this winter here in Michigan. I have a Pilot 4WD so that should help. I have just read that the tire compound of the CC2's is very soft and does not last as log as the Defender's. I am going to see how this winter is and if not,...I am going to change them out. I had Defender's before these new ones,...the CC2's were backordered and I did not want to wait 4 weeks, not knowing how much or if we were going to get snow. My previous Defender's needed to be replaced.