So I'll be the first to say I'm a GM fan. Times have been tough with everyone and their brother jumping on the GM stinks because recall bandwagon, but nevertheless, I'm a fan. My favorite GM engine of all time is the 3800. Just love them. Being that it was a relatively old tech. design, I understand why GM doesn't make it anymore. But, I'd sure find it neat if they did. So I have a fun little thread idea, my question to you all is this: 1. Do you think the same old pushrod 3800 could remain competitive with modern technology? 2. What do you think would need to be added? 3. What HP/TQ numbers would you expect? IIRC, the Series III N/A had 205 hp and 230 lb/ft of torque. SC'd Series III 3800s had about 250 hp. GM redesigned the 4.3 and is now making about 300 hp and it's still a pushrod design. I don't see why they couldn't get more from a 231 ci. block. It'd be cool, yes... I know I'm dreaming.