Cost of Charging PHEV vs. Gasoline

[Torrid]

Your clueless, I have relatives that live in Arizona that tried EVs and people will freeze do to shortened life of batteries in cold weather. Hot weather is harder on batteries than cold weather, the EVs just have half the distance when they are cold and your driving in wind and snow covered roads. They make a perfect city vehicle but are not for everyone.

it’s not that black and white. We have an EV and live in the Midwest. Since we’re going into insults calling one another clueless, while you’re attributing shorter range in cold to be this absolute stop point where they “just don’t work”. Your clarification is completely different than what that comment was. Shorter range is a heck of a lot different that doesn’t work. Your ICE range is shorter in the cold too. Weather is hard on everything.

 

[Astro_Guy]

In ten years people will realize (without some miraculous aftermarket engineering) that most older BEVs will need a battery replacement (refurb?) that will exceed the value of the rest of the vehicle...

You are probably right, but the battery in our 2010 Prius seems to be okay after 13 years and 201K miles. Granted that's not the same use case a a pure EV. A hybrid tries to keep it's battery charged within the sweet spot whereas a true EV is at the mercy of the driver's behavior. My PHEV starts at 100% battery capacity every morning and gets home at or above 33% 4-5 days per week. On other days it gets fully discharged. Watching the EV forums suggests that charging to 80% capacity or enought to get you to the next charge point is the best strategy. That applies to the level 3 or fast DC supercharges; not sure if it matters on the level 2 chargers.

 

[NiwradND]

it’s not that black and white. We have an EV and live in the Midwest. Since we’re going into insults calling one another clueless, while you’re attributing shorter range in cold to be this absolute stop point where they “just don’t work”. Your clarification is completely different than what that comment was. Shorter range is a heck of a lot different that doesn’t work. Your ICE range is shorter in the cold too. Weather is hard on everything.

I never said they don't work, their just not for everyone. Glad it fits your bill.

 

[Torrid]

You are probably right, but the battery in our 2010 Prius seems to be okay after 13 years and 201K miles. Granted that's not the same use case a a pure EV. A hybrid tries to keep it's battery charged within the sweet spot whereas a true EV is at the mercy of the driver's behavior. My PHEV starts at 100% battery capacity every morning and gets home at or above 33% 4-5 days per week. On other days it gets fully discharged. Watching the EV forums suggests that charging to 80% capacity or enought to get you to the next charge point is the best strategy. That applies to the level 3 or fast DC supercharges; not sure if it matters on the level 2 chargers.

While it’s just a snapshot, there is a Facebook group of high mileage Tesla owners. I’m sure there may be some that have had to have battery replacements even if I haven’t seen the post, but I was surprised how many Model Ss there are around with well over 200k miles on the original battery. I didn’t know there were so many covering this many miles in Teslas. I know I saw one around 370k miles if I recall correctly so I would assume your experience with your Prius should be pretty normal which is nice.

Road tripping would make it hard to charge much past 80% anyway since it slows so much at that point. If I was obsessed with getting to 100% it would drive me crazy.

 

[The Critic]

I'm using MCE Light Green and here's the comparison of their rate and PG&E's rate. I'm on E-1 Care.

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My bill likely reflected the Total Electricity Cost, not the generation rate.

 

[Ws6]

The cold weather shortens the battery life, then if you get stuck in a blizzard, freezing to death os going to be a problem. People who think everyone should have a EV are clueless.

Id much rather be stuck in my EV than in a gas car. Yes the cold does shorten range, though. No, I don't think everyone should have an EV. I dont even think everyone can even afford to own a vehicle, much less a new one or ev.

 

[Ws6]

While it’s just a snapshot, there is a Facebook group of high mileage Tesla owners. I’m sure there may be some that have had to have battery replacements even if I haven’t seen the post, but I was surprised how many Model Ss there are around with well over 200k miles on the original battery. I didn’t know there were so many covering this many miles in Teslas. I know I saw one around 370k miles if I recall correctly so I would assume your experience with your Prius should be pretty normal which is nice.

Road tripping would make it hard to charge much past 80% anyway since it slows so much at that point. If I was obsessed with getting to 100% it would drive me crazy.

1) we buy evs because we drive a lot.
2) much less to go wrong. Of course they last.
3)It doesnt slow that much. Im still st over 50kw past 90%

 

[Ws6]

When it gets -30 to -40 below around here with blowing snow, it would be a hazard to be on the roads with an EV, and in Arizona at 110 to 115 degrees the batteries don't last. But you living in the banana belt may get by with EVs, like I said they are not for everyone.

Look, you may like your gas car, but under water what good does it do? You need oxygen to burn gas. So when you live in Atlantis, it ain't gonna cut it.

See how absurd that sounds? -20s is about as low as it gets here. So Im not worried about it.

 

[M56959]

Bickering, going in circles lock