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Cooper CS4 or Michelin Primacy MXV4
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Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
But you are missing my point that other tires handled, steered and gripped as good while giving a more compliant, quiter ride and didn't jar and rattle the car structure and occupants. Besides, if a person wants sport car or ultra HP tires there is some expectation of a stiffer tire and noiser, harsher ride. But if you are buying say a Primacy for your 4 door sedan you generally do not have that expectation or want a stiffer, noiser riding tire. You are more likely to be willing to give up a little steering sharpness for noticable gains in ride comfort and quietness.
The Primacy MXV4 is a performance touring tire. It was marketed towards the sportier segment.
It is clear that you do not enjoy suspensions that deliver lots of feedback-- or road feel. Unfortunately many of us do. Perhaps your needs are better suited by a standard touring tire, and not one that is performance oriented.
Yes the Primacy is a performance tire, although not an ultra performance tire, and maybe not a good example. Michelin touring tires might be the even worse offender. I'm thinking a Michelin passenger tire like Weatherwise that rides bad and does nothing else particularly well, or maybe in the performance catgegory MXV4 or BFGoodrich Traction T/A that rides hard and noiser than a Goodyear that performs as well.
I think I made it pretty clear that I do enjoy performance, feedback and traction. I've never used anything but performance tires on my cars.I just don't enjoy a noiser, harsher riding tire that rattles my car, one worse than what you'd find OE on a Vette or Porsche ultra performance tire. It seems like Michelin either makes the tire too hard or too mushy and not in the sweet spot. I think the Primacy may be closer to that middle balance and I'm thinking about getting some.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
But you are missing my point that other tires handled, steered and gripped as good while giving a more compliant, quiter ride and didn't jar and rattle the car structure and occupants. Besides, if a person wants sport car or ultra HP tires there is some expectation of a stiffer tire and noiser, harsher ride. But if you are buying say a Primacy for your 4 door sedan you generally do not have that expectation or want a stiffer, noiser riding tire. You are more likely to be willing to give up a little steering sharpness for noticable gains in ride comfort and quietness.
The Primacy MXV4 is a performance touring tire. It was marketed towards the sportier segment.
It is clear that you do not enjoy suspensions that deliver lots of feedback-- or road feel. Unfortunately many of us do. Perhaps your needs are better suited by a standard touring tire, and not one that is performance oriented.
Yes the Primacy is a performance tire, although not an ultra performance tire, and maybe not a good example. Michelin touring tires might be the even worse offender. I'm thinking a Michelin passenger tire like Weatherwise that rides bad and does nothing else particularly well, or maybe in the performance catgegory MXV4 or BFGoodrich Traction T/A that rides hard and noiser than a Goodyear that performs as well.
I think I made it pretty clear that I do enjoy performance, feedback and traction. I've never used anything but performance tires on my cars.I just don't enjoy a noiser, harsher riding tire that rattles my car, one worse than what you'd find OE on a Vette or Porsche ultra performance tire. It seems like Michelin either makes the tire too hard or too mushy and not in the sweet spot. I think the Primacy may be closer to that middle balance and I'm thinking about getting some.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
I just don't enjoy a noiser, harsher riding tire that rattles my car, one worse than what you'd find OE on a Vette or Porsche ultra performance tire.
I suspect you might have had a "bad" set of Michelins one time. I've owned three sets of the Harmony line, including two sets of the X Radial and one set of the WeatherWise II. They handled well, rode well, and were reasonably quiet. These were on a 2003 Grand Caravan (WeatherWise II), 2007 Town & Country (X Radial), and 1997 Cadillac SLS (X Radial). All in different sizes as well (215/70R15, 215/65R16, 225/60R16 respectively).
Characterizing them as a "harsh riding tire that rattles your car" and worse than an OE tire on a Corvette is far from how I would describe my experience with numerous sets of Michelins. Maybe you got some real old stock once or something. Or maybe, for some reason, they just weren't a good match for your vehicle. That happens sometimes. Most people really like the Yokohama Avid TRZ, but I had a set and didn't really care for them because of how harsh ~I~ thought they rode. Maybe I just got a weird set.
I just don't enjoy a noiser, harsher riding tire that rattles my car, one worse than what you'd find OE on a Vette or Porsche ultra performance tire.
I suspect you might have had a "bad" set of Michelins one time. I've owned three sets of the Harmony line, including two sets of the X Radial and one set of the WeatherWise II. They handled well, rode well, and were reasonably quiet. These were on a 2003 Grand Caravan (WeatherWise II), 2007 Town & Country (X Radial), and 1997 Cadillac SLS (X Radial). All in different sizes as well (215/70R15, 215/65R16, 225/60R16 respectively).
Characterizing them as a "harsh riding tire that rattles your car" and worse than an OE tire on a Corvette is far from how I would describe my experience with numerous sets of Michelins. Maybe you got some real old stock once or something. Or maybe, for some reason, they just weren't a good match for your vehicle. That happens sometimes. Most people really like the Yokohama Avid TRZ, but I had a set and didn't really care for them because of how harsh ~I~ thought they rode. Maybe I just got a weird set.
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Originally Posted By: D.K.
I have said this to many people and posted on here several times, the Cooper CS'4 will be the quietest tire that you have ever put on a car. I am getting ready to put a second set on a Chrysler T&C.
The Michelin Primacy that you are thinking about is not even in the same class as the CS'4 for noise and traction. The Michelin will have better rolling resistance to start, the Cooper will get better with age.
Our friends have the CS4's on a Chrysler LHS and love'em. IDK if they have ever owned Michelin tires in the past, or if the OE tires were Michelin's but, they're not concerned as the LHS is a quiet car. I'll ask them again when I see'em about their love for the CS4's as the 1 year mark is approaching.
I have another friend that has just put on the Primacy MXV4's on his Prius(Oct 2011)as they also showed quite well for snow/ice and he isn't quite impressed but, mentioned only about the lower MPG, not quietness(and we had very little snow this winter!) CR rated the Primacy MXV4's as decent for rolling resistance and average for noise. Previous tires on the Prius were G/Y Integrity's which themselves are smooth/quiet and easy rolling though, not rated an LRR.
I have read lots of tire reviews from owners with vehicles like mine driving in climates similar to mine as well. Reviews like this is one of the best way to pick a tire for your needs but, not the only way. One needs to have a criteria(most important to least important) as all tires are a mixed bag!
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I just spoke with my friends with the CS4's on the Chrysler LHS. We played cards Sat Night... "So far, so good". He and his wife(her car) both like'em very much and said that the previous tires were Michelin(din't remember model#/name). These CS4's are quieter/smoother than the Michelin*** and have everything over the Michelin that were on the car.
Of course, I stated that "those previous Michelin tires were old and worn out to say the least"...He agreed and also agreed that "a new set of Michelin tires also, would have made a world of difference as well!" I also told them of the good reviews I have read in reguards to the CS4's.
His statement is though, that "they're very happy with their choice in the CS4's"(and they love the LHS too) and the extra money saved compared to what Micheline's would/could have cost(in his mind, as he never compared prices).
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In regards to the Primacy MXV4's on the Prius of my other friend...Happy with the MXV4's overall without being super impressed. The overall quality/ride/handling/quiet/smooth etc. are good but, MPG isn't what he'd like, though still better MPG than any other vehicle he has ever owned and in the mid 40's just banging around town with very little hiwy. I'm not sure myself that the Prius ever really got the MPG it was claimed to. But, the MPG is down a bit more compared to the OE tires.
Most of all, it's the Prius that he really likes for it's many good qualities, interior room, reasonably quiet, reliability and it's a larger car than it looks to be from the outside.
My friend, IMHO, may have been expecting a "life altering change" from these Michelin Primacy MXV4 tires and didn't get that!---I mean, at 66 yrs old and driving 35-40 mph around town, what-cha expect? (I hope he doesn't read this!)
Originally Posted By: D.K.
I have said this to many people and posted on here several times, the Cooper CS'4 will be the quietest tire that you have ever put on a car. I am getting ready to put a second set on a Chrysler T&C.
The Michelin Primacy that you are thinking about is not even in the same class as the CS'4 for noise and traction. The Michelin will have better rolling resistance to start, the Cooper will get better with age.
Our friends have the CS4's on a Chrysler LHS and love'em. IDK if they have ever owned Michelin tires in the past, or if the OE tires were Michelin's but, they're not concerned as the LHS is a quiet car. I'll ask them again when I see'em about their love for the CS4's as the 1 year mark is approaching.
I have another friend that has just put on the Primacy MXV4's on his Prius(Oct 2011)as they also showed quite well for snow/ice and he isn't quite impressed but, mentioned only about the lower MPG, not quietness(and we had very little snow this winter!) CR rated the Primacy MXV4's as decent for rolling resistance and average for noise. Previous tires on the Prius were G/Y Integrity's which themselves are smooth/quiet and easy rolling though, not rated an LRR.
I have read lots of tire reviews from owners with vehicles like mine driving in climates similar to mine as well. Reviews like this is one of the best way to pick a tire for your needs but, not the only way. One needs to have a criteria(most important to least important) as all tires are a mixed bag!
Update:
I just spoke with my friends with the CS4's on the Chrysler LHS. We played cards Sat Night... "So far, so good". He and his wife(her car) both like'em very much and said that the previous tires were Michelin(din't remember model#/name). These CS4's are quieter/smoother than the Michelin*** and have everything over the Michelin that were on the car.
Of course, I stated that "those previous Michelin tires were old and worn out to say the least"...He agreed and also agreed that "a new set of Michelin tires also, would have made a world of difference as well!" I also told them of the good reviews I have read in reguards to the CS4's.
His statement is though, that "they're very happy with their choice in the CS4's"(and they love the LHS too) and the extra money saved compared to what Micheline's would/could have cost(in his mind, as he never compared prices).
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In regards to the Primacy MXV4's on the Prius of my other friend...Happy with the MXV4's overall without being super impressed. The overall quality/ride/handling/quiet/smooth etc. are good but, MPG isn't what he'd like, though still better MPG than any other vehicle he has ever owned and in the mid 40's just banging around town with very little hiwy. I'm not sure myself that the Prius ever really got the MPG it was claimed to. But, the MPG is down a bit more compared to the OE tires.
Most of all, it's the Prius that he really likes for it's many good qualities, interior room, reasonably quiet, reliability and it's a larger car than it looks to be from the outside.
My friend, IMHO, may have been expecting a "life altering change" from these Michelin Primacy MXV4 tires and didn't get that!---I mean, at 66 yrs old and driving 35-40 mph around town, what-cha expect? (I hope he doesn't read this!)
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Thank you for the follow-up, Char Baby.
It seems like even though the CS4's have some followers, given the comparable price the Michelins are the tires to go for. Most of the mentions I've heard about the Coopers involve the price advantage. When that's not there, I think the Michelins will offer a better ride for the car and last longer.
It seems like even though the CS4's have some followers, given the comparable price the Michelins are the tires to go for. Most of the mentions I've heard about the Coopers involve the price advantage. When that's not there, I think the Michelins will offer a better ride for the car and last longer.
Originally Posted By: cchase
I am not a member of Consumer Reports. Is the tire comparison available anywhere without becoming a member? It might be better than throwing insults back and forth over what's a good source and what isn't.
If you're still interested, most libraries have subscriptions to the printed maganzine and the buying guide, which summarizes recent test results. Your library may even have access to an online magazine database, which will have several years of back issues.
I am not a member of Consumer Reports. Is the tire comparison available anywhere without becoming a member? It might be better than throwing insults back and forth over what's a good source and what isn't.
If you're still interested, most libraries have subscriptions to the printed maganzine and the buying guide, which summarizes recent test results. Your library may even have access to an online magazine database, which will have several years of back issues.
Hint: all of the tire-related information shows up in the October or November issue of the CR printed magazine.
I didn't get an old set or a bad set. It wasn't just one set. I just don't think much of the ride and handling of Michelin's Weatherwise II, X Radial, Harmony or whatever they are labeled. In comparison Goodyear and some General models seemed to be a better riding and handling tire.
And from looking into the Primacy it is really more a long wearing touring tire than a high performance and more in the class of a Goodyear Assurance ComforTred, and I'm thinking the ComforTred would be a good option to the Primacy. It has good reviews and if you believe TireRack it ws rated higher and number 1 in its class.
And from looking into the Primacy it is really more a long wearing touring tire than a high performance and more in the class of a Goodyear Assurance ComforTred, and I'm thinking the ComforTred would be a good option to the Primacy. It has good reviews and if you believe TireRack it ws rated higher and number 1 in its class.
Hi mechanicx,
I did look at the Tire Rack survey reviews. I was turned onto the Primacys and not the ComforTred's based on the information I saw there.
My reasoning based on the survey results were:
- the Primacy scored 0.3 higher in the "would buy again" category
- the Primacy scored 0.4 higher in the "cornering stability" category
- the Primacy scored marginally better in both wet and dry traction categories
- the Primacy scored 0.3 better in "steering response"
- the Primacy scored 0.4 higher in the "treadwear" category
- the Primacys survey results are based on about 5x more miles driven than the ComforTreds.
The areas the ComforTreds out-surveyed the Michelins were in "light snow traction", "deep snow traction", and "ice traction". Since this vehicle is not driven in the snow often and since the survey results show that the Primacy is certainly 2nd best in those categories (besting everything else) I assume they will still be quite good if that situation should arise.
As far as sidewall stiffness, if the Primacys are stiffer than CS4s I do not think it will be a substantial issue since the car is already softly sprung. It may actually be an asset.
Also critically, the ComforTred is not available in my exact size.
I did look at the Tire Rack survey reviews. I was turned onto the Primacys and not the ComforTred's based on the information I saw there.
My reasoning based on the survey results were:
- the Primacy scored 0.3 higher in the "would buy again" category
- the Primacy scored 0.4 higher in the "cornering stability" category
- the Primacy scored marginally better in both wet and dry traction categories
- the Primacy scored 0.3 better in "steering response"
- the Primacy scored 0.4 higher in the "treadwear" category
- the Primacys survey results are based on about 5x more miles driven than the ComforTreds.
The areas the ComforTreds out-surveyed the Michelins were in "light snow traction", "deep snow traction", and "ice traction". Since this vehicle is not driven in the snow often and since the survey results show that the Primacy is certainly 2nd best in those categories (besting everything else) I assume they will still be quite good if that situation should arise.
As far as sidewall stiffness, if the Primacys are stiffer than CS4s I do not think it will be a substantial issue since the car is already softly sprung. It may actually be an asset.
Also critically, the ComforTred is not available in my exact size.
I suspect that both the Primacy and ComfortTred would be too passenger/touring and not performance oriented enough for me or perhaps you as well. My inclination is that the ComfortTred would perform about the same as Primacy but would deliver a better ride.
I'm surprised the Primacy are available in your size but not the ComforTred. If I go on Michelin website for example they don't list Primacy available in my size, yet every tire store carries them in my size.
What I'm looking for is something in between an all out high performance tire and a touring tire like Primacy and ComforTred. I thought the Primacy were an in between tire but they're more of a touring tire. General Altimax HP seems to be that middle ground tire but I'm not a big fan of directional tires and I'm not crazy how the tread looks but that's just aesthetics. Of course if you look at the survey numbers you wouldn't think so, but I think the survey score can't be completely used to compare different tires. When you compare tire there seems to possibly be up to 1-2 margin of error.
I'm surprised the Primacy are available in your size but not the ComforTred. If I go on Michelin website for example they don't list Primacy available in my size, yet every tire store carries them in my size.
What I'm looking for is something in between an all out high performance tire and a touring tire like Primacy and ComforTred. I thought the Primacy were an in between tire but they're more of a touring tire. General Altimax HP seems to be that middle ground tire but I'm not a big fan of directional tires and I'm not crazy how the tread looks but that's just aesthetics. Of course if you look at the survey numbers you wouldn't think so, but I think the survey score can't be completely used to compare different tires. When you compare tire there seems to possibly be up to 1-2 margin of error.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
What I'm looking for is something in between an all out high performance tire and a touring tire like Primacy and ComforTred. I thought the Primacy were an in between tire but they're more of a touring tire. General Altimax HP seems to be that middle ground tire but I'm not a big fan of directional tires and I'm not crazy how the tread looks but that's just aesthetics. Of course if you look at the survey numbers you wouldn't think so, but I think the survey score can't be completely used to compare different tires. When you compare tire there seems to possibly be up to 1-2 margin of error.
I think the new Yokohama Avid Ascend may be what you are looking for. I just ordered a set today, and I will let you know if they turn out the way I predict.
What I'm looking for is something in between an all out high performance tire and a touring tire like Primacy and ComforTred. I thought the Primacy were an in between tire but they're more of a touring tire. General Altimax HP seems to be that middle ground tire but I'm not a big fan of directional tires and I'm not crazy how the tread looks but that's just aesthetics. Of course if you look at the survey numbers you wouldn't think so, but I think the survey score can't be completely used to compare different tires. When you compare tire there seems to possibly be up to 1-2 margin of error.
I think the new Yokohama Avid Ascend may be what you are looking for. I just ordered a set today, and I will let you know if they turn out the way I predict.
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
What I'm looking for is something in between an all out high performance tire and a touring tire like Primacy and ComforTred. I thought the Primacy were an in between tire but they're more of a touring tire. General Altimax HP seems to be that middle ground tire but I'm not a big fan of directional tires and I'm not crazy how the tread looks but that's just aesthetics. Of course if you look at the survey numbers you wouldn't think so, but I think the survey score can't be completely used to compare different tires. When you compare tire there seems to possibly be up to 1-2 margin of error.
I think the new Yokohama Avid Ascend may be what you are looking for. I just ordered a set today, and I will let you know if they turn out the way I predict.
Possibly, if the they are an H-rated tire. Tirerack lists them in the same class, "Grand Touring", as the ComforTred and Primacy though. The Ascends I looked at mentioned being LRR tires. LRR and treadwear rating much over 440-560 are usually tires I'm not happy with. Mayne the high performance Yokohama EnVigor would fit the bill, but Tire Rack survey rates the Primacy very slightly higher in cornering stability, dry traction, and steering
(I realize they are in different classes but still the ratings seems way too high for the Primacy within its class too)
The Ascends were too new to be rated if we are looking at the same tire. I just don't find Tire Rack's survey rating useful when they rate a Michelin Harmony tire equal in traction to an Altimax when I had both and didn't find the Michelins did anything well. Or the survey will rate a T-speed rated Altimax RT dry traction and handling the same as an Altimax HP. It just doesn't add up. But according to Tirerack nothing short of a ultra high performance tire performs better than the Primacy. I just don't believe it.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
What I'm looking for is something in between an all out high performance tire and a touring tire like Primacy and ComforTred. I thought the Primacy were an in between tire but they're more of a touring tire. General Altimax HP seems to be that middle ground tire but I'm not a big fan of directional tires and I'm not crazy how the tread looks but that's just aesthetics. Of course if you look at the survey numbers you wouldn't think so, but I think the survey score can't be completely used to compare different tires. When you compare tire there seems to possibly be up to 1-2 margin of error.
I think the new Yokohama Avid Ascend may be what you are looking for. I just ordered a set today, and I will let you know if they turn out the way I predict.
Possibly, if the they are an H-rated tire. Tirerack lists them in the same class, "Grand Touring", as the ComforTred and Primacy though. The Ascends I looked at mentioned being LRR tires. LRR and treadwear rating much over 440-560 are usually tires I'm not happy with. Mayne the high performance Yokohama EnVigor would fit the bill, but Tire Rack survey rates the Primacy very slightly higher in cornering stability, dry traction, and steering
The Ascends were too new to be rated if we are looking at the same tire. I just don't find Tire Rack's survey rating useful when they rate a Michelin Harmony tire equal in traction to an Altimax when I had both and didn't find the Michelins did anything well. Or the survey will rate a T-speed rated Altimax RT dry traction and handling the same as an Altimax HP. It just doesn't add up. But according to Tirerack nothing short of a ultra high performance tire performs better than the Primacy. I just don't believe it.
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Originally Posted By: mechanicx
But according to Tirerack nothing short of a ultra high performance tire performs better than the Primacy. I just don't believe it.
Have you driven a car with Primacy MXV4s yet, or are you simply basing your opinion off of your prior experience with other Michelin tires (Hydroedge, Harmony, Weatherwise, etc)?
My Prius currently has Primacy MXV4 tires. My old Saturn had the Hydroedge. The Primacy MXV4s are definitely the best "non-UHP" all-season tires I've driven on in terms of ride, handling, traction and noise.
But according to Tirerack nothing short of a ultra high performance tire performs better than the Primacy. I just don't believe it.
Have you driven a car with Primacy MXV4s yet, or are you simply basing your opinion off of your prior experience with other Michelin tires (Hydroedge, Harmony, Weatherwise, etc)?
My Prius currently has Primacy MXV4 tires. My old Saturn had the Hydroedge. The Primacy MXV4s are definitely the best "non-UHP" all-season tires I've driven on in terms of ride, handling, traction and noise.
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
But according to Tirerack nothing short of a ultra high performance tire performs better than the Primacy. I just don't believe it.
Have you driven a car with Primacy MXV4s yet, or are you simply basing your opinion off of your prior experience with other Michelin tires (Hydroedge, Harmony, Weatherwise, etc)?
My Prius currently has Primacy MXV4 tires. My old Saturn had the Hydroedge. The Primacy MXV4s are definitely the best "non-UHP" all-season tires I've driven on in terms of ride, handling, traction and noise.
No it's more the first paragraph, that's why I'm not sure of the Primacys. I haven't driven any cars with Primacy long enough to form an impression, just the MXV4 Energy. If they are a big improvement over Hydroedge, Harmony, Weatherwise and a small improvement over the Energy they might be good, but from what I can tell they're maybe similar. I just know from experience Tire Rack's survey will not necessarily steer you to the right tire. But I will take your recommendation in consideration.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
But according to Tirerack nothing short of a ultra high performance tire performs better than the Primacy. I just don't believe it.
Have you driven a car with Primacy MXV4s yet, or are you simply basing your opinion off of your prior experience with other Michelin tires (Hydroedge, Harmony, Weatherwise, etc)?
My Prius currently has Primacy MXV4 tires. My old Saturn had the Hydroedge. The Primacy MXV4s are definitely the best "non-UHP" all-season tires I've driven on in terms of ride, handling, traction and noise.
No it's more the first paragraph, that's why I'm not sure of the Primacys. I haven't driven any cars with Primacy long enough to form an impression, just the MXV4 Energy. If they are a big improvement over Hydroedge, Harmony, Weatherwise and a small improvement over the Energy they might be good, but from what I can tell they're maybe similar. I just know from experience Tire Rack's survey will not necessarily steer you to the right tire. But I will take your recommendation in consideration.
Originally Posted By: cchase
Thank you for the follow-up, Char Baby.
It seems like even though the CS4's have some followers, given the comparable price the Michelins are the tires to go for. Most of the mentions I've heard about the Coopers involve the price advantage. When that's not there, I think the Michelins will offer a better ride for the car and last longer.
OH indeed! I believe that I even stated this in my first responce above
If the price for both tires is very close, opt for the Michelin's
Thank you for the follow-up, Char Baby.
It seems like even though the CS4's have some followers, given the comparable price the Michelins are the tires to go for. Most of the mentions I've heard about the Coopers involve the price advantage. When that's not there, I think the Michelins will offer a better ride for the car and last longer.
OH indeed! I believe that I even stated this in my first responce above
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
In comparison Goodyear and some General models seemed to be a better riding and handling tire.
And from looking into the Primacy it is really more a long wearing touring tire than a high performance and more in the class of a Goodyear Assurance ComforTred, and I'm thinking the ComforTred would be a good option to the Primacy. It has good reviews and if you believe TireRack it ws rated higher and number 1 in its class.
Is this the only decent tire Goodyear puts out? I bought a set of tires last week (255/45/18 for Mustang) and read many reviews. Goodyear seems to be at the bottom of the heap in many categories. Next I need to find tires for truck (285/65/18) and again looks like Michelin LTX at the top. Goodyears again rated poorly in this size.
In comparison Goodyear and some General models seemed to be a better riding and handling tire.
And from looking into the Primacy it is really more a long wearing touring tire than a high performance and more in the class of a Goodyear Assurance ComforTred, and I'm thinking the ComforTred would be a good option to the Primacy. It has good reviews and if you believe TireRack it ws rated higher and number 1 in its class.
Is this the only decent tire Goodyear puts out? I bought a set of tires last week (255/45/18 for Mustang) and read many reviews. Goodyear seems to be at the bottom of the heap in many categories. Next I need to find tires for truck (285/65/18) and again looks like Michelin LTX at the top. Goodyears again rated poorly in this size.
Originally Posted By: troyh
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
In comparison Goodyear and some General models seemed to be a better riding and handling tire.
And from looking into the Primacy it is really more a long wearing touring tire than a high performance and more in the class of a Goodyear Assurance ComforTred, and I'm thinking the ComforTred would be a good option to the Primacy. It has good reviews and if you believe TireRack it ws rated higher and number 1 in its class.
Is this the only decent tire Goodyear puts out? I bought a set of tires last week (255/45/18 for Mustang) and read many reviews. Goodyear seems to be at the bottom of the heap in many categories. Next I need to find tires for truck (285/65/18) and again looks like Michelin LTX at the top. Goodyears again rated poorly in this size.
Honestly I don't get why some Goodyears (and other brands and models) rank low. I've known people who had "low ranking" Goodyears like the RSA or LS and LS2 and liked them very much. Most Goodyears I've had did most things well and I never found them lacking like I have for various other tire brands even "high rated" ones. I personally think most Goodyears are decent.
I don't put too much stock in tire ratings. A lot of the tires that rate lower are not long wearing models. I think some tires are overrated like the ComforTred and Primacy and others like the LS underrated. Also you will find two tires that are very similar have drastically different ratings. The ratings really don't add up when you look into them.
There's many factors at play, how long the tire model has been out and people are just down on worn out tires, if the tire model was available as a LRR OE and is being confused with the non-OE model etc. Surveys are ripe with subjectivity and inaccuracy.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
In comparison Goodyear and some General models seemed to be a better riding and handling tire.
And from looking into the Primacy it is really more a long wearing touring tire than a high performance and more in the class of a Goodyear Assurance ComforTred, and I'm thinking the ComforTred would be a good option to the Primacy. It has good reviews and if you believe TireRack it ws rated higher and number 1 in its class.
Is this the only decent tire Goodyear puts out? I bought a set of tires last week (255/45/18 for Mustang) and read many reviews. Goodyear seems to be at the bottom of the heap in many categories. Next I need to find tires for truck (285/65/18) and again looks like Michelin LTX at the top. Goodyears again rated poorly in this size.
Honestly I don't get why some Goodyears (and other brands and models) rank low. I've known people who had "low ranking" Goodyears like the RSA or LS and LS2 and liked them very much. Most Goodyears I've had did most things well and I never found them lacking like I have for various other tire brands even "high rated" ones. I personally think most Goodyears are decent.
I don't put too much stock in tire ratings. A lot of the tires that rate lower are not long wearing models. I think some tires are overrated like the ComforTred and Primacy and others like the LS underrated. Also you will find two tires that are very similar have drastically different ratings. The ratings really don't add up when you look into them.
There's many factors at play, how long the tire model has been out and people are just down on worn out tires, if the tire model was available as a LRR OE and is being confused with the non-OE model etc. Surveys are ripe with subjectivity and inaccuracy.
I am not too old, but when thinking tires the first 2 names that pop in my head are Michelin and Goodyear. Michelin are great, but so [censored] expensive compared to the others. I have never had a Goodyear tire in my life.
So much competition in tires currently, that didn't exist 20 years ago when I began driving.
Sorry to derail the post, but to the question given the choice between and Cooper and Michelin... has to be Michelin.
So much competition in tires currently, that didn't exist 20 years ago when I began driving.
Sorry to derail the post, but to the question given the choice between and Cooper and Michelin... has to be Michelin.
I generally agree that subjective tire reviews are, well, just that: subjective. Different people like different things in tires, want different things out of tires, have various expectations of a certain tire going in, etc.
So...with that in mind...I often prefer to refer to objective tire testing. This will often bring out the weaknesses in tires that many consumers may never know is there. Such as wet braking for example. Unless you happen to be presented with a situation where you have to do a full ABS stop from 60 mph on wet pavement, you may not know that Tire X is better than Tire Y in that regard.
Because the wet traction of the Goodyear Assurance ComforTred Touring was mentioned (I assume that was the tire referenced), here is Tire Rack's assessment of it:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=138
It did pretty well in most of the testing, but it (and the Bridgestone Turanza Serenity) did relatively lousy in the wet traction tests. It took a full 15 feet longer to stop than the best tire in the test. That's significant, especially if one of your first priorities in a tire is having one with excellent performance.
So...with that in mind...I often prefer to refer to objective tire testing. This will often bring out the weaknesses in tires that many consumers may never know is there. Such as wet braking for example. Unless you happen to be presented with a situation where you have to do a full ABS stop from 60 mph on wet pavement, you may not know that Tire X is better than Tire Y in that regard.
Because the wet traction of the Goodyear Assurance ComforTred Touring was mentioned (I assume that was the tire referenced), here is Tire Rack's assessment of it:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=138
It did pretty well in most of the testing, but it (and the Bridgestone Turanza Serenity) did relatively lousy in the wet traction tests. It took a full 15 feet longer to stop than the best tire in the test. That's significant, especially if one of your first priorities in a tire is having one with excellent performance.
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