coolant filters for passenger cars?

[Mickey_M]

You can't use an oil filter in a coolant system.

The coolant filters are designed to resist corrosion and use media that's suited to coolant.


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[Master ACiD]

somebody should make an inline coolant filter whith integrated nipples at each end, so you could just cut a heater hose and splice it inline. no fuss, no mess, and no remote mounts.

 

[Moloch]

somebody should make an inline coolant filter whith integrated nipples at each end, so you could just cut a heater hose and splice it inline. no fuss, no mess, and no remote mounts.

they have those check jergs

 

[trynew]

What is "jergs"? Do you mean "Jeg's"? I wasn't able to find one on their site, though.

 

[Moloch]

Yes sorry my spelling sucks, its an inline fiter just cut your hose and stick it in I seen it in a mustang magazine. try www.jegs.com

 

[02StangGT4Foam]

http://carbitz.org/ for the Tefba Coolant Filter

http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/sctefba.html for a testimonial of how it worked.

 

[Gary Allan]

For those who like to use their local NAPA, the CFB5000 xref's to a WIX number.

Part Number: 24019
UPC Number: 765809240193
Principal Application: Conversion Base For Cooling System Filters - 11/16-16" Threaded Base Stud - Inlet + Outlet has 3/8" NPT
All Applications
Style: Filter Mounting Base
Service: Base
Type: By-Pass
Note: Spin-On Conversion Kit

Principal Application Universal Mounting Base For Cooling Filters

Here's the B5134

Part Number: 24070
UPC Number: 765809240704
Principal Application: Cooling System Filter with No Chemicals
All Applications
Style: Coolant Spin-On Filter
Service: Coolant
Height: 5.214
Outer Diameter Top: 3.694
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 11/16-16
Burst Pressure-PSI: 200
Nominal Micro Rating: 27
Note: Service: SSI

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.834 2.462 0.200

and the B5088

Part Number: 24083
UPC Number: 765809240834
Principal Application: Extended Drain Coolant (Non Chemical Filter)
All Applications
Style: Coolant Spin-On Filter
Service: Coolant
Height: 4.173
Outer Diameter Top: 3.690
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 11/16-16
Note: Cooling System Filter with No Chemicals

Prinicipal Application-Cat, Cummins, Detroit, Other

Service-ESI

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.850 2.470 0.230


Note the different services. One is SSI

and one is ESI

Standard Service Interval
Extended Service Interval
(which appears what others have asserted)

 

[Bluj40]

I have a 02 Accord dx, i want to install one of those Baldwin coolant filters, if anyone knows about my 6th generation Honda, can you give a nice guide on where and how to install the filters for the Coolant and even for the P/S and Tranny. Thanks so much

 

[denaliguide2]

The concept of a coolant filter makes sense to me from a couple points: 1/ Internal engine contaminats, which will do damage internally, especially to the water pump etc; 2/ Bad water or mineral laden stuff that is occasionally introduced unknowingly or for other reason. The internal contaminants and minerals (primarily calcium compounds) can play hob with the inside of your cooling system. SOOOOOOOO if you want a long life for your cooling system components, you might want a coolant filter. I do. I figure if I program my Volvo diesel the way other commercial diesel owners do theirs, mine will have a good service life.........

IMHO, Nick

 

[Gary Allan]

I'm bumping this. I just bought a pair of the 11/16-16 thread mounts on ebay real cheap. It took forever for me to find the right filters at NAPA (the local NAPA kills you even if they give you a 50% discount off of list for these filters. Fleetfilter.com is MUCH cheaper).

Anyway ..it appears that the concensus is that these are good for the standard green EG or PG coolants ..but is somewhat not needed for the OAT or HOAT (I never bothered to figure out what these acronyms mean) coolant offerings.


The 42070 (NAPA 2070) rattles when you shake it. Apparently the additive is a solid block that disolves as you reach a corrosive state. Kinda like a "heel" of potash in a caustic supply. You can tell when the heel is fully suspended by the decrease in specific gravity.

 

[MC5W20]

My consensus is - if your using it on a gas engine then the filter you want is one with no chemicals. I plumbed in one of the 11/16-16 bases and that is what I use - I think its the Napa 4070 or something similar to those numbers.

 

[Gary Allan]

The NAPA filter without chemicals was the most expensive according to my NAPA ..over $80 list. The 4071 and 4070 (my bad on the "2"071 the WIX numbers are 24070 and 24071) are much cheaper by their price schedule (go figure).

..but why do you say "gasoline engine"

(from print on 4071 NAPA 24071 Wix coolant filter)

Designed for a 9-24 gallon cooling system for extended service. Replace every 12500 miles or 250 hours of operation. This filter contains Dry Chemical IV inhibitors and must not be used on systems using Chromates or oil soluble inhibitors. Compatible with MOST (underlined) Ethylene or Propolene Glycol based coolants/antifreeze. If in doubt, contact our technical service dept at: 704-864-6711

What does the filter care if its on a diesel or not

Isn't EG ..EG?? ..and so what if you only have a 2 to 3 gallon system

[ April 23, 2006, 07:56 PM: Message edited by: Gary Allan ]

 

[Buford T. Justice]

I didn't read all the posts in this thread but, everytime I see this thread, I keep asking myself why would anyone want a coolant filter?

If there are particles floating around in your cooling system, you really need to flush the system with distilled water until they are all gone.

Then I wonder what these 'particles' are exactly. Are they the crap from regular or well water which you shouldn't use anyway?

If the vehicle owner does proper maintenance to their vehicle(s) cooling system then a filter is not needed.

 

[Gary Allan]

Sure, Buford ...but we don't do normal things here. If there's an excessive way to do something ..someone here is going to do it ...whether or not it's required/necessary/recommended. Bigger ...more...whatever

There are better mouse traps ..even if the mice don't get any smarter.

But you're in good company. If I had a $ for every person that said to me "Why would you want to do something like that?" ..I'd have a decent bulge in my wallet

. My silent response to them is ..."What do you care? I just want it..isn't that enough for you?" ...as though they are some ultimate authority and have learned all that there is to learn about the topic at hand. The same could be said for the disire for a Corvette or a Lamborgini. No one needs them either. They can drive a 1960 3 on the tree Ford Falcon and get anywhere they want to "too" ..the rest is a waste of good hard earned cash, right?

..but, by all means, express your opinion ..that's what the board is for

 

[TheTanSedan]

quote:

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Originally posted by Gary Allan:


What does the filter care if its on a diesel or not

Isn't EG ..EG?? ..and so what if you only have a 2 to 3 gallon system

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An OTR Class 8 rig with a 400-600HP diesel (1,800-2,200 LBS/TQ) runs a duty cycle that would easily kill off a gasoline engine. There's a reason that HD long block can weigh 7,000-lbs. Part of that is wet cylinder liners, which the additives aid in preventing pitting.

http://www.fleetguard.com/fleet/en/products/en_prod_fg_cool_anti.jsp?SMSESSION=NO

While I have no problem using HDD coolant in my gasoline, light-duty pickup truck, it isn't entirely clear to me about adding an SCA charge via filter canister.

http://www.fleetguard.com/fleet/pdfs/product_lit/americas_brochures/LT15070.pdf?SMSESSION=NO

I'd rather stick with a measured amount of Radiator Master's RMI-25 in the meantime (yes, the manufacturer recommends it for diesel engines).

I know I'd like to learn more if someone can find some info to shed a good light on this. I've always heard to stay away from an SCA-charged filter for a gasoline engine; my impression being that the gas engine coolant capacity is quite small, [5] gallons, ballpark, for a pickemup and that the SCA Extender isn't needed until 200 or 300,000 miles.

Used to drive a FREIGHTLINER with a 24-gallon cooling system. That's 96-quarts, compared to the 20-quarts my Dodge has.

 

[Gary Allan]

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An OTR Class 8 rig with a 400-600HP diesel (1,800-2,200 LBS/TQ) runs a duty cycle that would easily kill off a gasoline engine. There's a reason that HD long block can weigh 7,000-lbs. Part of that is wet cylinder liners, which the additives aid in preventing pitting.

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Sure

..but what does a diesel do to coolant that a gasoline engine doesn't do

Isn't boiling (adjusted for EG's boiling point) the same in both systems? Isn't heat tranfer through identical mediums that same? Isn't the materials used in the block (assumed cast iron) the same as the cast iron in a traditional domestic engine??

quote:

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While I have no problem using HDD coolant in my gasoline, light-duty pickup truck, it isn't entirely clear to me about adding an SCA charge via filter canister.

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Me either

I'd like to figure out how a diesel wears out coolant faster then a common passenger car too.

 

[trynew]

quote:

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I'd like to figure out how a diesel wears out coolant faster then a common passenger car too.

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I can picture a couple of ways it could be different. The vibrations in a diesel might have a different effect upon the compounds in antifreeze, causing them to degrade at a different rate or in a different way. Also, an assumption that is probably false is that the seals in the engine, even with a good head gasket, form a barrier that zero molecules can get through. I doubt that. The head is constantly flexing, and a few molecules of combustion are likely to wiggle through. That means that some molecules of diesel or gasoline exhaust enter the coolant and even though the quantity is minute, it could produce different reactions with the coolant.

 

[Gary Allan]

Well, it appears that your vibration issue is true as far as the wet sleeve pitting that TTS mentioned.


just the first google that popped up with "diesel stress coolant" put in the search

 

[LarryL]

One thing to remember is that some of these coolant filters come with chemicals. If you put one of these systems on a smaller cooling system you will get too much of this chemical stuff into your system and it will fall out of solution. Those big chunks of chemicals might be a problem floating around in the system. Besides getting tangled up in the water pump and pump seals, you might get other parts of the cooling system plugged up. By the time these road blocks get worn down, you might have caused a hot spot or a flow problem.

 

[oil pan 4]

I made a coolant filter for my Z28.
I used a remote oil filter head and a cheap oil filter.
It works great.
When I first put it on there the filter cloged with in seconds. I put another filter on and it is flowing good now.
It has been on there about 2 months.
I opened up the cloged filter and didn't see any thing on there other then a rust color coating on the filter paper.
Why use a filter?
The coolant pump can last a lot longer (we all know how much those cost + labor).
Longer coolant time between coolant changes.
My coolant is allways cristal clear green. How can that be any thing but great for your engine.
Rust and junk particals will never eat up my pump bearings and seals.
Some time I will loan it on to my 6.2 diesel suburban.