Controversial - The resurrection of VC Summer

So are you suggesting the biggest polluter of coal energy China is moving away from this. We just keep looking forward and forget the real dangers of nuclear power? Fukushima was not an RBMK and the problem there still exists with no real resolution in site.
Fukushima was a much larger event than Chornobyl, a triple meltdown, but had a fraction of the contamination because the units, despite being primitive GE BWR's, were equipped with containment.

This is why decontamination is possible and residents are allowed to return.

That said, Fukushima was entirely avoidable. It was as a result of a captive regulator, chaired by the very industry it was supposed to supervise and regulate.
 
Restarting would be a boondogle, but its worth a study.

Dominion owns the site. They acquired SCANA - one of two original owners.

The unfinished reactor is still owned by Santee Cooper, who was the other partner in the project, and by Westinghouse. How Westinghouse owns anything at this point boggles my mind, but nothing really surprises me anymore.

There is one working reactor on site already, so would make sense to continue before starting over, but the politics would be crazy.
 
Well for starter they still don't have a real fix for Chernobyl or Fukushima they have just continued with the lie! But you can believe what you want or explain the real fix we will see near term before they build anymore of these accidents waiting to happen.
The Canadian CANDU reactors cannot experience the same type/magnitude of failures as the poor designs you referenced did. Not all nuclear plants are mortal enemies to human life, nor are they all “ticking time bombs” like the Russian designs are.
 
In the end, but they were very close to melting down. And it was operator error from my limited understanding - ignoring a faulty valve basically - not a design issue.
It was a partial meltdown (some core damage) due to a faulty sensor IIRC, that said the valve was in one state, when it was in the other.
 
Restarting would be a boondogle, but its worth a study.

Dominion owns the site. They acquired SCANA - one of two original owners.

The unfinished reactor is still owned by Santee Cooper, who was the other partner in the project, and by Westinghouse. How Westinghouse owns anything at this point boggles my mind, but nothing really surprises me anymore.

There is one working reactor on site already, so would make sense to continue before starting over, but the politics would be crazy.
Agreed, and the partially completed units are AP1000's, so it's likely worth looking into.
 
It was a partial meltdown (some core damage) due to a faulty sensor IIRC, that said the valve was in one state, when it was in the other.
The issue was instrumentation (something I do know something about). There was a light that the operators thought meant the valve was closed - or open, I don't remember. In fact it simply meant the valve was powered on. So it was human error - both the designer - that didn't have clear redundant positive control / alarm on a critical valve, and operators misunderstanding what the light actually meant.

Like I originally said, humans can pretty much screw anything up.
 
The issue was instrumentation (something I do know something about). There was a light that the operators thought meant the valve was closed - or open, I don't remember. In fact it simply meant the valve was powered on. So it was human error - both the designer - that didn't have clear redundant positive control / alarm on a critical valve, and operators misunderstanding what the light actually meant.

Like I originally said, humans can pretty much screw anything up.
Yep, that's why stuff has to be designed with redundancies for when that happens, lol.
 
Well for starter they still don't have a real fix for Chernobyl or Fukushima they have just continued with the lie! But you can believe what you want or explain the real fix we will see near term before they build anymore of these accidents waiting to happen.
I think we recognize the flaws of the RBMK, which is why we don't have them here.

The vulnerabilities of the GE Mk 1 design are also known, and measures have been taken in the US.

The fix for both is to build modern plants that can be passively cooled indefinitely, rather than handicap the industry and block them from doing so.
 
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3 mile island proves Humans are capable of screwing almost anything up.
That particular vulnerability of the B&W design had been discovered just prior to the TMI incident and had gone out as an industry memo, but was not distributed to operators. (I'm pretty sure it was Davis Besse that had a close call and put out the memo.) That incident lead to the industry communication systems and regulations we have today.
 
I think we recognize the flaws of the RBMK.

The vulnerabilities of the GE Mk 1 design are also known, and measures have been taken in the US.

The fix for both is to build modern plants that can be passively cooled indefinitely, rather than handicap the industry and block them from doing so.
And, even given the limitations of the early BWR, it wasn't a flaw with the reactors that led to the meltdowns at Fukushima Daiichi, it was the inability to cool them, a direct result of the backup generators not being relocated to behind the plant as had been advised by GE years earlier, and the upgrade of the seawall, something Tepco had also been advised to do, but were able to avoid due to grandfathering regulation, because they chaired the board of the bloody regulator.
 
Well, STP wanted to build two new units and then bring the old units down 50% - got the permits - but not the funding …
Meanwhile …
 
I think we recognize the flaws of the RBMK, which is why we don't have them here.

The vulnerabilities of the GE Mk 1 design are also known, and measures have been taken in the US.

The fix for both is to build modern plants that can be passively cooled indefinitely, rather than handicap the industry and block them from doing so.
Great as long as your willing to have it built in your back yard!
 
I'm not liking that several of the proposed "modular" reactors are graphite-moderated. In the 1960s, after several incidents that could easily have been a lot worse, Western engineers decided that graphite is a material unsafe at any speed inside a nuclear reactor. This lesson seems to have been forgotten.
 
I'm not liking that several of the proposed "modular" reactors are graphite-moderated. In the 1960s, after several incidents that could easily have been a lot worse, Western engineers decided that graphite is a material unsafe at any speed inside a nuclear reactor. This lesson seems to have been forgotten.
Graphite has been safe in the UK, their AGR reactors, which are gas cooled. Graphite + water has a record of being a bad combo. The problem with graphite is that it has a finite lifespan and can't readily be replaced, which is why the whole AGR fleet is being retired, as the graphite is cracking, spelling its end of life.
 
Great as long as your willing to have it built in your back yard!
I wouldn't want an RBMK in my backyard, but with 7 units still operating, plenty of people do.

I work in the industry. I've spent a good bit of time at/inside of US PWR units during outages. I wouldn't mind having one nearby. Good jobs make for good towns, usually in a pretty spot near a body of water, which means recreation.
I'm not liking that several of the proposed "modular" reactors are graphite-moderated. In the 1960s, after several incidents that could easily have been a lot worse, Western engineers decided that graphite is a material unsafe at any speed inside a nuclear reactor. This lesson seems to have been forgotten.
Holtec SMR-160 and NuScale are both PWR are two top candidates for the US market. Molten salt is being proposed for some breeders but that's a different animal.
 
Holtec SMR-160 and NuScale are both PWR are two top candidates for the US market. Molten salt is being proposed for some breeders but that's a different animal.
Pardon my misinformation. It appears the Holtec 300 is the one to watch. I also meant to say "to of the top candidates."
 
Well for starter they still don't have a real fix for Chernobyl or Fukushima they have just continued with the lie! But you can believe what you want or explain the real fix we will see near term before they build anymore of these accidents waiting to happen.
That’s a gross misinterpretation of what happened in both of those accidents.

They have little to do with safety (although air cooled graphite isn’t the best design) and more to do with operator error, cost cutting and bad engineering.

There are nearly 50 nuclear plants operating right near my house.

They rotate in and out of the largest Naval Base in the world and have there for several decades. Not one accident.

Nuclear power can be done safely. The Navy is proof of that.

Nuclear power is far safer, and far better for the environment, than any other form of power when you consider the full impact of mineral extraction (including materials for solar cells and lithium batteries) and power generation.

That’s why tech is starting to embrace it.
 
That’s a gross misinterpretation of what happened in both of those accidents.

They have little to do with safety (although air cooled graphite isn’t the best design) and more to do with operator error, cost cutting and bad engineering.

There are nearly 50 nuclear plants operating right near my house.

They rotate in and out of the largest Naval Base in the world and have there for several decades. Not one accident.

Nuclear power can be done safely. The Navy is proof of that.

Nuclear power is far safer, and far better for the environment, than any other form of power when you consider the full impact of mineral extraction (including materials for solar cells and lithium batteries) and power generation.

That’s why tech is starting to embrace it.
I see his response to your insightful comments is the "braying like a jackass" react emoji, which I think tells us all we need to know about his knowledge and faith of engagement on this subject.
 
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