Logic and common sense are no longer the main drivers in hiring, and especially terminations. More often than not, HR is given a target dollar number across LOBs or teams, so they mix-and-match until this target is met. Not until that point are managers told who is being cut from their teams, if even given that courtesy. I've known many who learned of their team's fate (and their own) when invited by HR to attend a meeting.
Great movie (Nicholson)
I had an interview in 1998 like that, in Temple, TX. Over the course of two days. Those were the days where I went to the public library, looked at a paper magazine that literally had help wanted ads reproduced into one publication. Call to talk to the co, and a FedEx overnight letter comes with plane tix, car rental paperwork, hotel paperwork, and directions from Austin to the hotel and office. It mattered back then if the candidate “fit.” I actually liked those times. I wasn’t offered a job until the following year, and I declined. If offered in 1998, I would have moved to TX.When I was a hiring manager I always did initial interviews over a meal. I wanted to see how the candidate treated the "help".
If they didn't treat the help with appropriate respect at the end when they asked "so whats next" I told them my mother waited tables at a little greasy spoon in town when I was a kid, and wished them luck on their career search.
Fit was part of it - but just generally how you treat people. An old boss of mine, who was brilliant, used to tell me interviews are all a lie - we lie to them about how great a place this is to work, they lie to us about how awesome an employee they are.
I had an interview with Enterprise Rentals like that. They flew me from PHL-STL. Retired FBI agent picked me up at the airport. Drove us to lunch where we met the head of security for Enterprise... another retired FBI agent. Went to their HQ in St. Louis and spoke with several people some of whom would've reported to me.
^^^ This. If your WFH your an anonymous number on a spreadsheet. Your a target.
Pretty much. Competence is secondary to who the boss likes and thinks he/she can work with.
On bring your child to work day, I got on the elevator with a very well dressed gentleman (late 30s) and his son (maybe 6-7 wearing a suit). Probably dad is on the partner track.
You were the one to make the claim without data, with a made up number. Oh, I'm sure there's some amount of WFH people who are worthless, but like I said in my other post not replying to you, allowing for ineffective employees to collect a paycheck is really a management issue.
Truth.
I've said the exact same thing about Costco. Go there at 12 noon on a weekday, packed. You can always spot the 2 to 5 people like me, who are hitting it at lunch. We're moving at 3X the speed of everyone else, because we need to get back to the office.
