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[Brons2]

It blows my mind how many people do not appreciate their jobs; some now feel entitled to work from home.
I just don't get it. Nobody owes me nuthin'.

There is absolutely no reason for me to ever go to the office unless there is a piece of hardware that breaks that runs our security software stack. But I go, dutifully my two days a week, and do the exact same stuff I do from home, except with crappier monitors - I bought an OLED 45" gaming monitor for WFH rather than use the work issued ones and it is awesome. Sometimes I even leave my office door open. If I'm feeling gassy I definitely close it. Nobody ever visits me. It's pointless.

So basically I go to the office so I can be more judicious about when I break wind. Great.

People want to ***** about it, fine, I'll just go work somewhere else. There were 13 Cybersecurity jobs within 8 or 9 miles of me the last time I looked on LinkedIn. I'm not here to hear anyones complaints.

If you show me a lazy WFH employee, I will then show you his/her incompetent manager. Nuff said.

 

[JeffKeryk]

There is absolutely no reason for me to ever go to the office unless there is a piece of hardware that breaks that runs our security software stack. But I go, dutifully my two days a week, and do the exact same stuff I do from home, except with crappier monitors - I bought an OLED 45" gaming monitor for WFH rather than use the work issued ones and it is awesome. Sometimes I even leave my office door open. If I'm feeling gassy I definitely close it. Nobody ever visits me. It's pointless.

So basically I go to the office so I can be more judicious about when I break wind. Great.

People want to ***** about it, fine, I'll just go work somewhere else. There were 13 Cybersecurity jobs within 8 or 9 miles of me the last time I looked on LinkedIn. I'm not here to hear anyones complaints.

If you show me a lazy WFH employee, I will then show you his/her incompetent manager. Nuff said.

Lazy employees are 100% a management issue.
Employees that want to WFH when the job is on-prem are milking the job, or worse.

In some areas, it is hard to find good workers.

 

[Number_35]

Just spent a few minutes in Starbucks with wifey; I saw 2 young ladies studying together with their books, working through some formulas. "Excuse me, but what are you guys working on?" "Our Chemistry." I muttered, "P1 V1 over T1 = P2 V2 over T2; or something like that." They laughed but were kinda impressed. "That was well over 50 years ago!" I told them, "Wifey minored in Chem at San Jose State." Then they were impressed.

I might have told them that 6.02 x 10^23 orders of Yuppie toast = Avocado's Number

 

[SC Maintenance]

Some ass wanted to interview me at a restaurant years and years ago. No, sorry. I eat with my bare hands.

When I was a hiring manager I always did initial interviews over a meal. I wanted to see how the candidate treated the "help".

If they didn't treat the help with appropriate respect at the end when they asked "so whats next" I told them my mother waited tables at a little greasy spoon in town when I was a kid, and wished them luck on their career search.

 

[Pablo]

When I was a hiring manager I always did initial interviews over a meal. I wanted to see how the candidate treated the "help".

If they didn't treat the help with appropriate respect at the end when they asked "so whats next" I told them my mother waited tables at a little greasy spoon in town when I was a kid, and wished them luck on their career search.

So that was you. Your fired!

 

[Cropduster172]

I'm sure you have data to back that up.

Next....

I'm sure you have data to disprove it.

 

[ATex7239]

There is absolutely no reason for me to ever go to the office unless there is a piece of hardware that breaks that runs our security software stack. But I go, dutifully my two days a week, and do the exact same stuff I do from home, except with crappier monitors - I bought an OLED 45" gaming monitor for WFH rather than use the work issued ones and it is awesome. Sometimes I even leave my office door open. If I'm feeling gassy I definitely close it. Nobody ever visits me. It's pointless.

So basically I go to the office so I can be more judicious about when I break wind. Great.

People want to ***** about it, fine, I'll just go work somewhere else. There were 13 Cybersecurity jobs within 8 or 9 miles of me the last time I looked on LinkedIn. I'm not here to hear anyones complaints.

If you show me a lazy WFH employee, I will then show you his/her incompetent manager. Nuff said.

Indeed. The VID proved most people didn’t have to go into the office to do their jobs effectively. When people couldn’t go in there was a big rally cry from managers all over to pull through this and work from home to keep businesses afloat. Well now we’re all past it and managers say you can’t be trusted, back to the office. It’s lazy management.

 

[Astro14]

Indeed. The VID proved most people didn’t have to go into the office to do their jobs effectively. When people couldn’t go in there was a big rally cry from managers all over to pull through this and work from home to keep businesses afloat. Well now we’re all past it and managers say you can’t be trusted, back to the office. It’s lazy management.

“Most”??

Please - I could buy your argument if you had said that “some” people didn’t have to go back to be effective.

But there are plenty of jobs that do, in fact, require physical presence at work.

Not everyone sits at a monitor all day. For those folks, sure, WFH and productivity/output can be monitored, but for many folks, the ability to have meetings (and no, Zoom doesn’t count), collaborate, and work with others requires an office setting.

For many other careers, you have to be at work to do the work. Surgeon, or Doctor, for example.

 

[Pablo]

If nothing WFH makes a person a target........

4 people I know personally in 3 different companies one guy I hired in 2001 - all laid off in the last two weeks. ALL were WFH!

 

[ATex7239]

“Most”??

Please - I could buy your argument if you had said that “some” people didn’t have to go back to be effective.

But there are plenty of jobs that do, in fact, require physical presence at work.

Not everyone sits at a monitor all day. For those folks, sure, WFH and productivity/output can be monitored, but for many folks, the ability to have meetings (and no, Zoom doesn’t count), collaborate, and work with others requires an office setting.

For many other careers, you have to be at work to do the work. Surgeon, or Doctor, for example.

Assumed that was self evident. Most as in the people in jobs that it’s feasible.

 

[John105]

Lazy employees are 100% a management issue.
Employees that want to WFH when the job is on-prem are milking the job, or worse.

In some areas, it is hard to find good workers.

I've said it before on this forum, my team is 7. 5/7 wfh. We're going 5X starting in September. My teammate and myself have to do ALL of the other 5's work, that requires hands on in the office. With that being said, I can't see either one of us being let go--how? The other 5 are severely limited in what they can do at home. Would it make sense to let the 2 go, who can and do, do everything?

I would be really disappointed if I were to be told much of our GM vehicle being built next week, is by UAW 276 remote workers. If they were controlling the production from their laptops at home, or maybe from Costco where they are shopping while at work.

I would say it's very hard to find workers who earn their salaries. Truly talented individuals are often using the current engagement as a stepping stone. If young, they are likely underpaid.

Many who are overpaid, are such because their skill set is just not available. My co is now full automation. When I started, having amazon as a client was a pipe dream and I thought never gonna happen.

edit p.s. this is something I learned, and I'm glad. The remote workers are actually excluded from corporate communications. I hadn't known this. There was a lot of information that I got via distribution, that my boss did not. they are not invited to corporate town halls. My assumption was they did it via Zoom, but no. My co follows others, we do not blaze trails with policies. So in the huge picture, wfh employees are regarded differently from an HR standpoint.

 

[ATex7239]

If nothing WFH makes a person a target........

4 people I know personally in 3 different companies one guy I hired in 2001 - all laid off in the last two weeks. ALL were WFH!

Out of sight out of mind isn’t always a good thing. When the axes start dropping it’s as much a popularity contest and who is dead weight.

 

[nickaluch]

When I started my business I have since sold my garage was my office and warehouse. If I was meeting a client we would go to the diner for breakfast I couldn't close a deal in the garage . I was always a " don't need my name in light's" I rather pocket the money then pay rent in a big warehouse in a desirable location

 

[cptbarkey]

Working? ahahahahah you are posting and reading BITOG. BTDT!!

Oh yeah, really I didnt tell the entire narrative.
I was working remotely at my ranch property as I've been trapping feral cats the past few weeks. I'm only averaging 1 a week, so its going to take awhile longer. They dont seem to care about kibble, but sardines does the trick.

Anyway, I'm there lazily "working" on my laptop not being monitored by my boss because i have his total trust when I noticed reddit no longer loading. I then noticed my work laptop going offline in basically all apps. The Starlink app showed basically dead everything. I have barely any cell signal without internet, so on my phone I checked reddit again, and the flood of worldwide reports of Starlink being out was flowing like bitcoin.
I then loaded into the ranch van as my GX is currently hitched to a trailer. I pre-ordered in the app a large diet dr pepper, a medium mocha, and 10 minutes later pulled into spot #6 at the mcdonalds curbside.
After they delivered, I shifted to another non descript parking lot, sipped my Dr pepper and coffee, worked on a few pull requests, fired off a few Jams jobs, and worked for another 2 hours in the van.

I gotta say, I'll take that life anyday over commuting and losing 1-2 hours of my life every day to traffic.

 

[John105]

imho now more than ever it's important to instill social skills and teamwork with the youngins. Being on a soccer or ice hockey team that performs, or does not, is real and takes interpersonal skills. Not kidding around--in the last 2 years, I've seen college kids saying, "Looking for a remote internship." That's just not the right attitude imho. An internship is an opportunity to get one's hands dirty, roll up one's sleeves, and learn about some aspect of the working world. Not to shop at Costco on co. time!

eidt The other thing that's not usually said here. My buddy makes well over 200k doing about x hours per week--he said he's always nervous when he gets a new boss, because right off the bat, how come you're not in the office, it's not just fun and games. His rent just went up $400/mo and being disconnected is nerve wracking. But life goes on. there are pros and cons to everything, and it's getting more blurred. I can't tell you how many times I've heard over the last 5 years, my job gets done. If it takes me x hours to do it, I'm ok with it. Me, I'd be nervous too, is it written in stone that working x hours a week and job is done, ok? It wasn't in 2019. As mentioned here, the issue is management. When 2 or 4 layers above my buddy also wfh, then at his low level they'll let him slide. But they lay people, ok, they fire people willy nilly too. That doesn't help either with a worker's morale. I think many of us actually believe we're more important to our organization than we really are. When there's a downturn or the co. starts losing revenue, imho it's not as fun and games as it is today.

 

[4WD]

If nothing WFH makes a person a target........

4 people I know personally in 3 different companies one guy I hired in 2001 - all laid off in the last two weeks. ALL were WFH!

Sometimes WFH makes it easy to send your job out of country for less …
Especially if it does not involve actual products - just services …
I know some replaced too …
On the flip side - just had 7 SME’s around a table for a very productive meeting - never even came close on Zoom etc …

 

[John105]

If nothing WFH makes a person a target........

4 people I know personally in 3 different companies one guy I hired in 2001 - all laid off in the last two weeks. ALL were WFH!

I've not seen it because my co. doesn't fire anyone, not even 2020. We have people with 50/40/30 year tenures left and right. You guessed it, in the office.

But as mentioned, I didn't know this until last year. The WFH people are cut off by design from corporate communications. So what you've just said is my suspicion, and why my buddy is always so nervous. But he doesn't do anything differently either. He even assumed that when I WFH (we used to have 2X, now 1X, and gonna be 0X in Sept), I could just meet up and hang out!! can't make this up

 

[John105]

Sometimes WFH makes it easy to send your job out of country for less …
Especially if it does not involve actual products - just services …
I know some replaced too …
On the flip side - just had 7 SME’s around a table for a very productive meeting - never even came close on Zoom etc …

Prior to 2020, it was very awkward to do video calls, at least for me. And, back then, since we were sent home, having the camera on was mandatory. The feeling was being on cam kept engagement. The overall culture has greatly changed. Most people have their cams OFF today. Our folks, the vendors, business partners. Hey, I'm ok if I see Costco in the background!

To your point, if we let kids think everything can be done not face to face, imho it will be detrimental. They need to have social skills and collaborate with one another in person. For example, I think there is great benefit to going to school, as opposed to remote learning.

 

[rstcso]

Working? ahahahahah you are posting and reading BITOG. BTDT!!

"All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy"
"All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy"
"All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy"
"All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy"
"All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy"

 

[4WD]

Prior to 2020, it was very awkward to do video calls, at least for me. And, back then, since we were sent home, having the camera on was mandatory. The feeling was being on cam kept engagement. The overall culture has greatly changed. Most people have their cams OFF today. Our folks, the vendors, business partners. Hey, I'm ok if I see Costco in the background!

To your point, if we let kids think everything can be done not face to face, imho it will be detrimental. They need to have social skills and collaborate with one another in person. For example, I think there is great benefit to going to school, as opposed to remote learning.

Agree - and we ordered food for those attending too …