Comparing Full Synthetic 5W-30 Oils

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Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: parshisa
Cuz all that is just marketing scam that has been legalized in agreement with the government to increase profits.

I wonder if I haven't had a word "amsoil" in my signature, what would be y'alls reaction to my post? it is hilarious indeed

Lol I never noticed your signature. It has no bearing on any of my remarks if you were directing that to me. And FYI it was never illegal, whatever "it" is exactly that you are referring to.

Is the hydrocracked Group III Pennzoil Ultra Platinum a synthetic?




I’ll bet that no difference can be seen between the Amsoil and the Pennzoil Platinum he is running. Both are good oils but in the end it’s how they perform.
 
Originally Posted By: parshisa
Cuz all that is just marketing scam that has been legalized in agreement with the government to increase profits.

I wonder if I haven't had a word "amsoil" in my signature, what would be y'alls reaction to my post? it is hilarious indeed


Does it matter what we call it? At the end of the day, an oil is defined by how well it performs. And today's "synthetics" to a d@mn fine job... So much so that using a "real" synthetic is nothing but a waste of money for most engines.
 
Ok folks, I give up. Either my english is not good enough or y'all not listening lol

Anyway, I love this forum and really appreciate everyone's feedback. I really learned a lot because of this website.

Cheers
 
Originally Posted By: parshisa
Ok folks, I give up. Either my english is not good enough or y'all not listening lol

Anyway, I love this forum and really appreciate everyone's feedback. I really learned a lot because of this website.

You don't have to give up, I just want to know if the hydrocracked Group III Pennzoil Ultra Platinum is a synthetic. That shouldn't require a lot of good English (and I am listening, I read your definition earlier).

Isn't English your primary language there in Texas?
 
Originally Posted By: kschachn
parshisa said:
I just want to know if the hydrocracked Group III Pennzoil Ultra Platinum is a synthetic. That shouldn't require a lot of good English (and I am listening, I read your definition earlier).


You'll have to settle first on whether we're going to use Plain English or Legalese English in our debate.

In Plain English, a synthetic molecule is one that was created from dissimilar molecules originating from the raw material.

In Legalese English, it's what the courts decided.

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Originally Posted By: nap
You'll have to settle first on whether we're going to use Plain English or Legalese English in our debate.

In Plain English, a synthetic molecule is one that was created from dissimilar molecules originating from the raw material.

In Legalese English, it's what the courts decided.

No, I wasn't asking for a global definition, I was asking in the context of parshisa's defintion:

Originally Posted By: parshisa
Comon there guys! I don’t try to hurt anyone’s feelings and of course not saying one oil is better then other! All i said, that these oils are NOT synthesized therefore cannot be label ans SYNTHETIC. That’s it.

Why do the molecules have to be dissimilar?

Also what court decided this?
 
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Originally Posted By: parshisa
That’s cool. I just find it funny that people are trying to emphasize that they are using FULL SYNTHETIC when it’s really not. That’s all




It is an endless argument here determining what is synthetic and what is not. The group 3 oils of today labeled as synthetic perform just as well as their group 4 and 5 counterparts. Most have baseoils consisting of all three groups.

It is what it is. Anyone can run the oil of their choice. This bickering that my brand is better than yours gets very old.


Read this about multi base stocks as this keeps falling on deaf ears … if my M1 0w20 is 60%-70% GIV … a splash of Esterex (not sure) and balance of GIII and adds … I want it called something besides “conventional” … all these wise guys should just pony up and run Redline … and Amsoil users need to understand they buy base stock from companies you hate …
 
Originally Posted By: nap
You have to create something that didn't exist in the raw material. If a molecule is just carried on from the raw material into the finished one, then the process of carrying it on is not "synthesis".

https://www.scribd.com/document/217558103/Motor-Oil-s-Day-in-Court will help with the question about the courts.

Is GTL-derived oil synthetic, that was my specific question to the specific definition posted. I do have a minor in chemistry so I have had some experience with what constitutes the definition of chemical synthesis.

What does "carried on" from the raw material mean exactly? Individual atoms? Molecules of 2 or more atoms? More? Severe hydrocracking breaks a large number of carbon-carbon bonds, wouldn't that qualify? What about when the GTL intermediate is also hydropcracked (which is true for all "Group 3+" oils). Do they no longer qualify as synthetic?

And yes, I have familiarity with the ruling but it wasn't a court of law.
 
The answer depends on the application (engine) and type of service (actual usage). As many others said, in the average NA gas engine, any of these oils will be more than good enough and extended conversations would be overkill. But that does not stop us here on BITOG! Extra protection provided by "the best oil" is needed only during some kind of failure (coolant loss/extreme temps, oil loss/starvation, severe over-revving, etc) or in the case of neglect or abuse. Then the super special additives or other features will come into play, and possibly save the engine from destruction. Point being, under normal operating conditions, any extra protection by better oil will not be realized... it's a backup measure "just in case."

With racing applications or other severe service, the extra protection really is needed. And racers have other ways of boosting oil performance beyond what is required in their applications... you know, just in case
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Z06, WM is the only place I go when it comes to general automotive supplies. I haven't seen 0W30 in there in a coons age. I think I have forgot what a container of it looks like.
Someone started a thread in this forum about 0W30 HONDA oil. I asked the Q? about using it in my engine. You know me, I will use almost ANY kind, brand, wt., oil in my trucks engine. I ain't skeerd!
Any input on this new HONDA 0W30 oil?
 
Originally Posted By: parshisa
Cuz all that is just marketing scam that has been legalized in agreement with the government to increase profits.

I wonder if I haven't had a word "amsoil" in my signature, what would be y'alls reaction to my post? it is hilarious indeed


I didn't even notice Amsoil in your signiture. I think everyone should have the right to blow their money any way they want. ;(
 
Is there a current, reliable source of information that provides a NOACK figure for all the major players in the non-boutique full synthetic arena? As a D.I. turbo owner, that's the number I'm most interested in. It it becoming a number they like to keep secret?
 
Originally Posted By: WylieCoyote
Is there a current, reliable source of information that provides a NOACK figure for all the major players in the non-boutique full synthetic arena? As a D.I. turbo owner, that's the number I'm most interested in. It it becoming a number they like to keep secret?


Some of them at least, will be on the PQIA site.
 
I believe both Valvoline AS and PP in 5w30 are in 9ish% range. I'd using valvoline in my civic TGDI if haven't had amsoil for 2 more OCI
 
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