Comparing 4-ball tests across the Amsoil PCMOs

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I've been perusing the Amsoil catalogs and have noticed something interesting. First, I want to point out that I know the applicability of 4-ball wear tests to engine wear is controversial; I do not want to address this here. My posting here is comparing the results of this test across the various engine oils in the Amsoil product line.

My understanding is the intent of the 4-ball test is to compare performance of anti-wear additives. Therefore, I would think I could assume that Amsoil oils with heavy additive packages would perform better on this test. But this isn't necessarily the case. For example, consider the new Dominator line of racing oils - performance for the 4-ball test for the 5W-20, 10w30, and 15W-50 is 0.49, 0.48, and 0.47 respectively. Looking at the diesel oils, the performance of HDD 5w30, which the catalog claims has the "beefiest additive package of all Amsoil motor oils" is 0.38; for the 5W-40 DEO, 0.44; and for 10w30 ACD, it is 0.4. Yet all of these oils are beat by 0W-20 ASM (0.35), 5w30 ASL (0.35) and 10w30 ATM (0.35). Even Amsoil priciest. top of the line SSO is 0.406.

So - what I am trying to say is - the score on the 4-ball wear test does not seem to correlate with the viscosity or cost of the oil, and seemingly, not with the additive package either. Of course, I suppose one could claim that it's not the level of the additive package, but the type and quality. If that is true, then why not use the better performing additives in their top of the line oil, or in their racing oils?

My intent is not to criticize - I love Amsoil's products, I am just curious about why the 4-ball ratings are as the are. I figured the scores on this test would be best on the racing or diesel oils. I also find it interesting that the thinnest (0W-20) oil is tied for the best rating in the product line. Comments?
 
Without rehashing what has been said before, it's a simple bench screening test. Thats all it is and as you can see, it really doesn't even make sense based on Amsoil's own literature.
 
I think a gear oil would perform better on a 4 ball test. Engine oils don't need or use the extreme pressure additives, that is why the 4 ball test is not meaningful for engine oils. So I don't know why Amsoil uses it in their promotional stuff.
 
ASL 5w30 uses (ASTM D-4172B: 40kgf, 75°C, 1200 rpm, 1 hr)

and SSO 0w30 uses (ASTM D4172: 40kgf, 150°C, 1800 rpm, 1 hr)

So be sure you take into consideration the temperature and the RPM when comparing.
 
The scores listed for the Dominator Racing oils are "Parameter #4" conditions:

60 kg/1800 rpms/150C

All the other Amsoil formulations are tested with only a 40kg load (33% lower), and some are tested at the lower 1200 rpm & 75C temp. conditions.

You need to compare the specific test parameters!
 
Hey I found it - thread on 4 balls!

Originally Posted By: Pablo

The baseline is 40Kg, 75°C, 1200 rpm, 1 hour.

They are all one hour.

It's pretty much always 40kg, with the exception of the 10w30 and 15W-50 racing oils which are 60 kg.

The racing oils, and HD 10W-40 and SSO are 150°C and the others are 75°C. These same oils are 1800 rpm. The others are 1200 rpm.
 
Thanks for the clarification. I had thought the original poster took into account the different parameters used.
 
Originally Posted By: John K
I think a gear oil would perform better on a 4 ball test. Engine oils don't need or use the extreme pressure additives, that is why the 4 ball test is not meaningful for engine oils. So I don't know why Amsoil uses it in their promotional stuff.

The test used by Amsoil is not an EP test!
 
The test Amsoil uses is a legitimate ASTM test for PCMO's, however, it's used more as a screening test and most agree the correlation to engine wear in an actual engine is non existant. Some say otherwise....
 
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