CI-4 or CI 4+ Semi Synthetic ?

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Haven't used gpI oil for quite a while . Delo and Mobil have used GPII or GP II+ at least in the multi visc oils since 1995. Rotella changed basestocks a few ratings ago and became a really good oil.
 
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When I looked up the MSDS for Delo 400 15W-40 (CI-4 rating) in the Asia Pacific region, it is listed as majority Group I, with 10% or less Group II. Chevron MSDS … search Delo (listings 321 -340). The Delo 400 LE 15W-40 only lists "highly refined mineral oil" … which likely means Group II. It is CJ-4 rated (the Delo Gold (ISOSYN) 15W-40 is also listed as "highly refined mineral oil" and ISOSYN = Group II.) Generally, the CI-4 15W-40's outside North America are going to mostly Group I based. The CI-4+ rated 15W-40 … not sure. These may require a good dose of Group II to get the + rating. The CJ-4 15W-40's look like they may be all Group II even outside of NA. Might check out Pennzoil Longlife Gold 15W-40 (it's CJ-4) which is very likely a Group II based oil. THE alternative would be a reasonably priced Group III based synthetic 5W-40 like Mobil 3000 X2 and running longer drains.
 
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Would it still be worth running either with gp1 still in it ?
Not in my view. There is a huge difference in oxidative stability between GI and GII ( ~ 3x). The aromatics in GI's just can't take the heat well at all. I'd run a more expensive Group III synthetic at longer intervals to offset the cost if no GII oils were available. Typically, you can run synthetics 3-4x the interval of a GI based oil, GII in the 2-3x range of GI.
 
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Hi, vxcalais - You asked: "Are all CI-4 or CI-4+ oils with a SL rating semi Synthetic such as Delo 400 or Delvac MX Multi grade? Can they still be made using Group 1 ?" IME the answers are: No and, yes! Commercial HDEOs are different "animals" than PCMOs as you already know. They perform their tasks very well indeed according to their specifications and in their intended applications - and when used as directed! Brands matter very little except at the highest end and in specialised applications
 
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So a CI-4+ can be synthetic or a mineral oil, correct? We are using Service Pro Heavy Duty CI-4+ 15W-40 and in the catalog we order from, they have a heading for synthetic and semi-synthetic and the CI-4+ is not listed under either catagory. Also, looking at product info I notice that the Service Pro we're using has a much higher pour point than other oils that are specifically listed as synthetic. Usually as much as 20 or 30 deg. higher. I'm using some Auto-Rx in my truck and am hoping to use the oil we have on hand but I know they advise against using synthetics with the A-Rx.
 
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