Chrome no longer supports Linux Mint?

[uc50ic4more]

Originally Posted By: dishdude
I'm a little confused as to why both exist when they are pretty much the same thing?


Chromium is the open source "base" for Chrome. All Google does on top of Chromium is add some stuff that is not open source like a Flash plugin and PDF renderer as well as some crash reporting and diagnostic stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_%28web_browser

Google does, indeed, administer the Chromium project. Being open source, anyone can use it. As mentioned previously in this thread, the risen-from-the-dead Opera browser is Chromium-based, too.

 

[Hokiefyd]

Does that mean that anything that Chrome receives has necessarily been implemented in Chromium, since Chromium is the foundation for Chrome?

 

[Uber_Archetype]

Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Does that mean that anything that Chrome receives has necessarily been implemented in Chromium, since Chromium is the foundation for Chrome?

That's exactly backwards. Chromium is a Debian-controlled variant of Chrome. They are all open source. Chromium get's updated after Chrome, according to the Debian developers schedule and approval. Ubuntu and Mint are Debian derivatives, thus including Chromium.

 

[uc50ic4more]

Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Does that mean that anything that Chrome receives has necessarily been implemented in Chromium, since Chromium is the foundation for Chrome?


Chromiumn is open source, which means that how closely your Chromium version is to Google's Chrome is entirely up to the discretion of whomever is compiling and distributing Chromium for you. The maintainers for Debian and Debian-derived distributions may do things differently than others; differently sometimes meaning "more slowly".

A Debian Stable version of Chromium is unlikely to get updated beyond the occasional security update for the version present in the release, for example. That can get obsolete in a hurry; but that stability is why people choose Debian Stable releases to begin with. Ubuntu would independently compile and release new versions as they become available which usually roughly keeps pace with Google.

Lots of Linux distros offer Chromium and they are all compiled by those distros' respective maintainers. There is one group, whose name at present escapes me, that offers a build for Mac that is by far most popular. I don't know how most Windows users get Chromium builds.

 

[uc50ic4more]

Originally Posted By: Uber_Archetype
Chromium is a Debian-controlled variant of Chrome.


Debian only administers their own builds of Chromium. Google administers the main project and each Linux distribution compiles their own binaries from that source code. Arch and Fedora and OpenSUSE Chromium packages therefore have zero to do with anyone involved with Debian.

Most - but certainly not all - of Ubuntu software is modified from Debian packages and most - but not all - Mint software is based on Ubuntu packages. In rapidly changing software like web browsers I am almost certain that Ubuntu is independent of Debian as Debian is focussed so much more on stability than remaining abreast of bleeding-edge. Debian does not even have a proper Firefox in their repositories; and unless you're pulling your packages from Debian Testing or Unstable you're playing with old versions of software.

 

[Uber_Archetype]

Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
Chromiumn is open source,..

As is Chrome.
Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
A Debian Stable version of Chromium is unlikely to get updated beyond the occasional security update...

Chromium gets all the same updates as Chrome, only slower.
Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
Ubuntu would independently compile and release new versions as they become available which usually roughly keeps pace with Google.

Chromium is controlled by Debian only. All Debian derivatives, Ubuntu, Mint, whatever have the same Chromium, assuming you install the latest available version.
Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
Lots of Linux distros offer Chromium and they are all compiled by those distros' respective maintainers.

See prior statement
Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
There is one group, whose name at present escapes me, that offers a build for Mac...

They're called Google. Chrome.
Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
I don't know how most Windows users get Chromium builds.

That's because they don't. Chromium is a Debian package.

 

[Colt45ws]

Originally Posted By: Uber_Archetype

Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
There is one group, whose name at present escapes me, that offers a build for Mac...

They're called Google. Chrome.
Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
I don't know how most Windows users get Chromium builds.

That's because they don't. Chromium is a Debian package.

Uh? Chromium is open-source and lots of distros offer it. My Gentoo machine can get it. Looking at the site, they show build instructions for Windows, so someone certainly could compile it on Windows. Same with OSX Im not sure if someone is posting already built packages, but it wouldn't surprise me if its out there.

 

[uc50ic4more]

Chromium is not a Debian controlled project. Uber_Archetype, I am afraid you are simply misinformed. Debian takes the source code and compiles binaries for use in their own distribution, as do all other distros that package and distribute it. Google administers the source code for Chromium and builds a browser atop it. Anyone, from Debian to Fedora to Arch to you and me personally are free to download, modify and redistribute that code as a binary executable. You can go to any Linux distro's web site and find Chromium in their repositories as well as that distro's maintainer for the package. These things have zero to do with Debian unless you're at Debian's web site.

FreeSMUG is the group that compiles Chromium for Mac. Chromium is only available as source code. If you're using it, you either compiled the source code yourself or some like a group like FreeSMUG or one of about a zillion Linux distribution maintainers did it for you.

Chrome is not open source: That is impossible, considering it contains code that runs Flash and renders PDF. Open source plus closed source equals closed source.

Most of the information that will set these misconceptions to rest is right there on the Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_%28web_browser or at chromium.org.

 

[uc50ic4more]

Originally Posted By: Uber_Archetype
Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
Chromiumn is open source,..

As is Chrome.


Flat out wrong. Containing Flash and PDF rendering code is not open source. Despite having an open source base, adding proprietary code makes it proprietary.

Prove me wrong by pointing me to Chrome's source code. Here is Chromium's: https://github.com/chromium/chromium

Originally Posted By: Uber_Archetype
Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
A Debian Stable version of Chromium is unlikely to get updated beyond the occasional security update...

Chromium gets all the same updates as Chrome, only slower.


That depends on who is updating, compiling and distributing. Chromium is open source and therefore at the whim of whomever is supplying any given user with the binaries. It's chaos out there.

Originally Posted By: Uber_Archetype
Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
Ubuntu would independently compile and release new versions as they become available which usually roughly keeps pace with Google.

Chromium is controlled by Debian only. All Debian derivatives, Ubuntu, Mint, whatever have the same Chromium, assuming you install the latest available version.


Wrong again. Here is the Chromium info for Ubuntu and Debian respectively. Different versions, different maintainers.

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywo...amp;section=all

http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywor...amp;section=all

Originally Posted By: Uber_Archetype
Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
There is one group, whose name at present escapes me, that offers a build for Mac...

They're called Google. Chrome.


Wrong again. FreeSMUG (http://www.freesmug.org/chromium). Chromium is only available as source code.

Prove me wrong by finding me Google's supplied binaries of Chromium for Mac, Windows or Linux.

Originally Posted By: Uber_Archetype
Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
I don't know how most Windows users get Chromium builds.

That's because they don't. Chromium is a Debian package.


Wrong again.

https://www.chromium.org/Home You won't even see the word "Debian" there at all. Debian takes the source code and does what THEY see fit with it. That's how open source works.

Chromium is Google's open source project. Debian, like *anyone else in the world inclined to do so*, builds a web browser from it.

 

[uc50ic4more]

Originally Posted By: Uber_Archetype
Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
I don't know how most Windows users get Chromium builds.

That's because they don't. Chromium is a Debian package.


Chromium for Windows: https://download-chromium.appspot.com/?platform=Win&type=snapshots

Awfully nice of those open source die-hards at Debian to take all that time compiling their project for Windows!

They were also very charitable in allowing Opera - another closed source piece of treachery - to use Chromium: http://www.webpronews.com/the-chromium-powered-opera-is-finally-here-2013-05/

And here we are at Fedora's page. Who is this Tom who is "building" Chromium? Is he from Debian? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Chromium

Let's let this go now. The information we care to get is freely and openly available by Googling or at Wikipedia or at these respective project's own web sites.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Uber_Archetype
Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
Chromiumn is open source,..

As is Chrome.

Chrome is under a Google license, which is not open source at all. It is free to use and trade, but that is not the same as open source. If I'm wrong, please direct me to Chrome's source code, in its entirety.

 

[uc50ic4more]

Originally Posted By: Garak
is under a Google license, which is not open source at all. It is free to use and trade,


It is "no cost" to use - If it were free you'd not have to agree to a EULA!

It is not free to trade; else distributions would be able to redistribute it.

 

[badtlc]

Good discussion on this everyone. Very educational for most, I'm sure.

I'd just like to re-iterate that Chromium is NOT a fully supported, refined browser. It is simply open source code that can be compiled by anyone and everyone. For those who want things to "just work" or want the best performance, stick to a fully developed and supported fork of Chromium like Chrome or Opera.

If you want to compare for yourself, install chromium, chrome and/or opera and run some browser benchmarks like peacekeeper. You'll really start to see the support/compatibility differences. If you force enable hardware acceleration for Chrome or Opera, you'll see even greater differences.

I love the chromium projects but I have had issues with setting it up for those new to Linux as with Chromium YOU are the one responsible for all the typical internet compatibility features that people are used to having built in to the browser. For example, Chromium doesn't come out of the box being able to play high end web video codecs like h264 and others. Those can only be played by installing the proper packages from repositories and getting them linked up with the browser properly. This can be somewhat easy in something like Ubuntu but much more challenging elsewhere. So every time something doesn't work right in Chromium you gotta track down the missing packages to make it work.

Anyway, enjoy the open source world everyone. Only good can come from more open source users.

 

[Garak]

I didn't word that very elegantly. I was meaning more in the way of how freeware used to be in the 1980s. No modifications, no distribution with commercial packages or for profit, but free to use and distribute all on its own, unmodified. Is that better?

 

[uc50ic4more]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Is that better?

Thread closed!

 

[Uber_Archetype]

Originally Posted By: badtlc
Good discussion on this everyone. Very educational for most, I'm sure.

Apparently you haven't learned much.
Originally Posted By: badtlc
It is simply open source code that can be compiled by anyone and everyone.

The same ORIGINAL open source code Chrome comes from.
Originally Posted By: badtlc
For those who want things to "just work" or want the best performance, stick to a fully developed and supported fork of Chromium like Chrome or Opera.

Once again, Chromium and Chrome are both based on the same open source code with the only difference being the additional functionality found in Chrome, developed by paid workers as opposed to Chromium's volunteer support. It's All Open Source.

Thread not closed:

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The Google-authored portion of Chromium is released under the BSD license,[19] with other parts being subject to a variety of different open-source licenses, including the MIT License, the LGPL, the Ms-PL and an MPL/GPL/LGPL tri-license


Read the Wiki and consider getting yourself educated first before attempting to do so with others:

wiki

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

 

[badtlc]

Originally Posted By: Uber_Archetype

Apparently you haven't learned much.


What point are you trying to make?

I think I just witnessed a meltdown.

 

[uc50ic4more]

Originally Posted By: Uber_Archetype
It's All Open Source.


The Flash, PDF rendering (both of which are property of Adobe Systems, Inc.) and diagnostic/ phone-home stuff they add is NOT open source. If it is, I am sure you won't have any trouble directing us to the (open, right?!) source code.

Lots of things are *based* on open-source; but once you add proprietary stuff and change the branding it is a different product.

No one is arguing at all that Chrome is 99% it's Chromium base. What points have been made, though, are:

1) The product called "Google Chrome" is NOT open source. You are NOT FREE to make copies and re-distribute them yourself to others and you may NOT browse source code for "Google Chrome". (If that were possible, Linux distros all over would ship Chrome out of the box or AT LEAST include it in their repositories... BUT THEY CANNOT because Chrome is not open source software.) The project called "Chromium" is open source. If you were to be able to browse Chrome's source code I am certain you would find an extreme majority of it to be identical to the same version number of the Chromium source base; but not entirely identical.

2) Being open source, Chromium's source code is always at parity with whatever version of Chrome is current; HOWEVER individual Linux distributions and groups who may package that source code as executable binaries for consumer's usage may NOT be up-to-the-minute in remaining abreast of Chrome. Debian remains notoriously stable and only maintains an obsolete version with security updates in their "Stable" repositories (which is their only official release; the others being unsupported) while other distros are more liberal with updating versions. Some distros are just a few days behind Google; others are weeks behind. Some remain a version or two behind perpetually for the sake of conservatism.

Sigh, this thread is certainly, apparently, not closed; but it is absolutely derailed! And dangerously close to descending into acrimony. Sorry to the OP - I hope in the middle of this pedantic mess you have had your query about support for ALL 32 bit platforms cleared up. Linux was actually the last holdout to retain support. We can always hope that if a Linux distro offers a 32 bit version they may continue to compile a 32 bit version of chromium; but that seems like a whole lot of work for anything but a major distro, and they all seem to be ditching 32 bit support gradually as well.

 

[Uber_Archetype]

Originally Posted By: badtlc
I think I just witnessed a meltdown.

I doubt you could discern the distinction between "a meltdown" and "open source."

 

[dishdude]

An update for Chromium hit my computer last night, in the package download title it said "The open source version of Chrome"