Given that there's no RSP and that G0D is automatically censored, perhaps it's a package which removes all religious references.
Are you through shouting now?
Are you through shouting now?
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JHRZ:
Thanks for the update and the attention- i REALLY hope it gets balanced, and one of the 2 gets picked (see D00df00d's 2nd post)
I agree totally with your explanation why Christmas posts are allowed - I have nothing against that at ALL. It's a totally different subject from what's being discussed, IMO.
However that explanation does not cover why terms associated with OTHER religions are censored, and not the ones with
Christ is not a religious reference then?
GROUCHO:
shouting is when someone types with caps on all the time, the whole post, for example.
Capitalizing SELECT words mean they're emphasized. (do people shout the capitalized part of "CHRISTmas"? I don't think so)
Thanks for the update and the attention- i REALLY hope it gets balanced, and one of the 2 gets picked (see D00df00d's 2nd post)
I agree totally with your explanation why Christmas posts are allowed - I have nothing against that at ALL. It's a totally different subject from what's being discussed, IMO.
However that explanation does not cover why terms associated with OTHER religions are censored, and not the ones with
Christ is not a religious reference then?
GROUCHO:
shouting is when someone types with caps on all the time, the whole post, for example.
Capitalizing SELECT words mean they're emphasized. (do people shout the capitalized part of "CHRISTmas"? I don't think so)
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Originally Posted By: GROUCHO MARX
The board has a built in censor, the mods don't control it (AFAIK).
Either the mods or Helen determine what gets censored. Wouldn't you call that control?
Originally Posted By: GROUCHO MARX
No one has disrespected any belief or creed here.
I think what you mean to say is, no one is INTENTIONALLY or OVERTLY disrespecting any belief or creed. That's different, and if that is what you mean, I agree fully.
However, there is indirect disrespect. That's the whole point. Christian deities can be mentioned but others can't, and yet this board claims to be fair to all. That's the worst kind of disrespect (i.e. hypocritical and covert).
The board has a built in censor, the mods don't control it (AFAIK).
Either the mods or Helen determine what gets censored. Wouldn't you call that control?
Originally Posted By: GROUCHO MARX
No one has disrespected any belief or creed here.
I think what you mean to say is, no one is INTENTIONALLY or OVERTLY disrespecting any belief or creed. That's different, and if that is what you mean, I agree fully.
However, there is indirect disrespect. That's the whole point. Christian deities can be mentioned but others can't, and yet this board claims to be fair to all. That's the worst kind of disrespect (i.e. hypocritical and covert).
GARY ALLEN: reply to your last post on Christmas dinner thread:
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
The silliest thing is being outraged enough to devote this much bandwidth in the name of "fairness"
I don't think one can spend enough bandwidth for fairness; especially when there's blatant discrimination on a forum supposed to be fair/balanced on RSP
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
The silliest thing is being outraged enough to devote this much bandwidth in the name of "fairness"
I don't think one can spend enough bandwidth for fairness; especially when there's blatant discrimination on a forum supposed to be fair/balanced on RSP
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Originally Posted By: GROUCHO MARX
Whar a load this thread has become.
The board has a built in censor, the mods don't control it (AFAIK).
No one has disrespected any belief or creed here.
This is mostly incorrect, but also partially correct: I administer a few forums for web site clients of mine, and I have *never* made, from scratch, the banned words list. There are forums, believe it or not, for forum admins, and we tend to try to share lists to prevent all of us from having to re-invent the wheel.
Some lists are overly thorough about cuss words, but neglect insults and religious words; while others are quite liberal.
Whar a load this thread has become.
The board has a built in censor, the mods don't control it (AFAIK).
No one has disrespected any belief or creed here.
This is mostly incorrect, but also partially correct: I administer a few forums for web site clients of mine, and I have *never* made, from scratch, the banned words list. There are forums, believe it or not, for forum admins, and we tend to try to share lists to prevent all of us from having to re-invent the wheel.
Some lists are overly thorough about cuss words, but neglect insults and religious words; while others are quite liberal.
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No, the board doesn't claim to be "fair". I really have never seen any "fairness doctrine" as some promise. There are probably decent attempts at keeping a lid on the place ..the comment "God bless you" does not constitute a RSP post.
This is ACLU-esque nitpicking.
This is more a feudal system. We go by their lead...
So far I haven't seen a BITOG Constitution or BITOG Bill of Rights.
You have the right to remain silent
The right to cable TV
The right to sing the blues..
This is ACLU-esque nitpicking.
This is more a feudal system. We go by their lead...
You have the right to remain silent
The right to cable TV
The right to sing the blues..
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Originally Posted By: 97tbird
I want to keep this thread totally on topic to see what JHRZ comes up with as a solution/explanation to my original question about his original title/post
97 - please do not cause me to regret posting. What was meant as a post of good faith and honesty on my part to provide a courtesy explanation of my logic to some posts that other members flagged is being turned into some sort of challenge. Frankly, I find it offensive that you need to keep screen shots of the discussion, as if I have some sort of conspiracy against you. I do not.
Now I am taking time away from my family, which is unfair - I regret posting anything. I neither selected the words in the censor or in reality have anything to do with it. And, frankly while I do hope that it is made equitable, will neither address this here in this thread or at this time. Sorry if you find this unfair or have to take screenshots to prove something.
I want to keep this thread totally on topic to see what JHRZ comes up with as a solution/explanation to my original question about his original title/post
97 - please do not cause me to regret posting. What was meant as a post of good faith and honesty on my part to provide a courtesy explanation of my logic to some posts that other members flagged is being turned into some sort of challenge. Frankly, I find it offensive that you need to keep screen shots of the discussion, as if I have some sort of conspiracy against you. I do not.
Now I am taking time away from my family, which is unfair - I regret posting anything. I neither selected the words in the censor or in reality have anything to do with it. And, frankly while I do hope that it is made equitable, will neither address this here in this thread or at this time. Sorry if you find this unfair or have to take screenshots to prove something.
GARY:
OK, so you're saying the word "Christ" being allowed (not censored) but the equivalent names of other religious leaders being censored is not an act of discrimination? you think that's totally ok?
I am sure HKRZ and/or Helen will comment on the matter in a more complete manner soon. We will see how it goes.
OK, so you're saying the word "Christ" being allowed (not censored) but the equivalent names of other religious leaders being censored is not an act of discrimination? you think that's totally ok?
I am sure HKRZ and/or Helen will comment on the matter in a more complete manner soon. We will see how it goes.
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
I want to keep this thread totally on topic to see what JHRZ comes up with as a solution/explanation to my original question about his original title/post
97 - please do not cause me to regret posting. What was meant as a post of good faith and honesty on my part to provide a courtesy explanation of my logic to some posts that other members flagged is being turned into some sort of challenge. Frankly, I find it offensive that you need to keep screen shots of the discussion, as if I have some sort of conspiracy against you. I do not.
Now I am taking time away from my family, which is unfair - I regret posting anything. I neither selected the words in the censor or in reality have anything to do with it. And, frankly while I do hope that it is made equitable, will neither address this here in this thread or at this time. Sorry if you find this unfair or have to take screenshots to prove something.
i don't feel you have anything against me; in the past posts have vanished without explanation- That's why i said that - didn;t mean specifically towards you - i would have done that with any mod.
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
I want to keep this thread totally on topic to see what JHRZ comes up with as a solution/explanation to my original question about his original title/post
97 - please do not cause me to regret posting. What was meant as a post of good faith and honesty on my part to provide a courtesy explanation of my logic to some posts that other members flagged is being turned into some sort of challenge. Frankly, I find it offensive that you need to keep screen shots of the discussion, as if I have some sort of conspiracy against you. I do not.
Now I am taking time away from my family, which is unfair - I regret posting anything. I neither selected the words in the censor or in reality have anything to do with it. And, frankly while I do hope that it is made equitable, will neither address this here in this thread or at this time. Sorry if you find this unfair or have to take screenshots to prove something.
i don't feel you have anything against me; in the past posts have vanished without explanation- That's why i said that - didn;t mean specifically towards you - i would have done that with any mod.
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Why do you seek it with such determination, 97? This is embarrassing ..for you. You're making a spectacle of yourself ..and for WHAT? You're an alleged atheist and therefore owe no allegiance to the aforementioned deities. Now if you're using them as a vehicle to express offense as a purely secular atheist, then you're posing the wrong argument and surely need to move to France.
..which really can't be all that important to you under most standards that I can imagine.
Now what's really up here?? Slow day and just looking for an argument? I can buy that.
..which really can't be all that important to you under most standards that I can imagine.
Now what's really up here?? Slow day and just looking for an argument? I can buy that.
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How about this, I'll bring up the topic, to see what the admins feel regarding the censor, early in the new year, and let's just all settle, take my post for what it is, and let's not argue tonight?
I have more to say on the capitalization of certain words under normal writing, but will refrain.
To all a good night.
I have more to say on the capitalization of certain words under normal writing, but will refrain.
To all a good night.
Everytime a deity isn't mentioned in a post, I view it as an endorsement of atheism.
You know how this flies.
You know how this flies.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
How about this, I'll bring up the topic, to see what the admins feel regarding the censor, early in the new year, and let's just all settle, take my post for what it is, and let's not argue tonight?
I have more to say on the capitalization of certain words under normal writing, but will refrain.
To all a good night.
You never did a thing wrong. You shouldn't sweat it.
How about this, I'll bring up the topic, to see what the admins feel regarding the censor, early in the new year, and let's just all settle, take my post for what it is, and let's not argue tonight?
I have more to say on the capitalization of certain words under normal writing, but will refrain.
To all a good night.
You never did a thing wrong. You shouldn't sweat it.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
This is ACLU-esque nitpicking.
"God bless you" is common parlance, just as the Christmas holiday and a number of other originally-religious terms and events now also have secular meanings.
Highlighting the "Christ" in Christmas is obviously religious.
It is allowed here because it is not DISCUSSING religion per se.
None of this is a problem. The problem is that other religions aren't even allowed to MENTION their deities. The same courtesy is not being afforded to all faiths. If this is splitting hairs, we're talking some mighty thick hairs.
This is ACLU-esque nitpicking.
"God bless you" is common parlance, just as the Christmas holiday and a number of other originally-religious terms and events now also have secular meanings.
Highlighting the "Christ" in Christmas is obviously religious.
It is allowed here because it is not DISCUSSING religion per se.
None of this is a problem. The problem is that other religions aren't even allowed to MENTION their deities. The same courtesy is not being afforded to all faiths. If this is splitting hairs, we're talking some mighty thick hairs.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Why do you seek it with such determination, 97? This is embarrassing ..for you. You're making a spectacle of yourself ..and for WHAT? You're an alleged atheist and therefore owe no allegiance to the aforementioned deities. Now if you're using them as a vehicle to express offense as a purely secular atheist, then you're posing the wrong argument and surely need to move to France.
..which really can't be all that important to you under most standards that I can imagine.
Now what's really up here?? Slow day and just looking for an argument? I can buy that.
I'm no 97tbird, Gary, but I must say that I, too, find it at least curious and at worst offensive that only non-christian names and words get censored. I am atheist as well, and have *zero* problem with folks expressing, even celebrating their faith anywhere; but I do think *someone* either did something unsporting in intentionally censoring the heathens, or was just a bit negligent in applying a pre-fab banned words list without giving at least a quick once-over.
I don't think it's a big deal, but that kind of blatant hypocrisy; although beyond our control and taking place only on an internet forum whose importance socially is neither here nor there, is still something that deserves to be called out, if only to pressure some corrective action.
It should be noted, too, that usually only one or two people have access to modify the banned words lists. Mods here almost certainly have zero control over it.
Why do you seek it with such determination, 97? This is embarrassing ..for you. You're making a spectacle of yourself ..and for WHAT? You're an alleged atheist and therefore owe no allegiance to the aforementioned deities. Now if you're using them as a vehicle to express offense as a purely secular atheist, then you're posing the wrong argument and surely need to move to France.
..which really can't be all that important to you under most standards that I can imagine.
Now what's really up here?? Slow day and just looking for an argument? I can buy that.
I'm no 97tbird, Gary, but I must say that I, too, find it at least curious and at worst offensive that only non-christian names and words get censored. I am atheist as well, and have *zero* problem with folks expressing, even celebrating their faith anywhere; but I do think *someone* either did something unsporting in intentionally censoring the heathens, or was just a bit negligent in applying a pre-fab banned words list without giving at least a quick once-over.
I don't think it's a big deal, but that kind of blatant hypocrisy; although beyond our control and taking place only on an internet forum whose importance socially is neither here nor there, is still something that deserves to be called out, if only to pressure some corrective action.
It should be noted, too, that usually only one or two people have access to modify the banned words lists. Mods here almost certainly have zero control over it.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
You're an alleged atheist and therefore owe no allegiance to the aforementioned deities. Now if you're using them as a vehicle to express offense as a purely secular atheist, then you're posing the wrong argument and surely need to move to France.
..which really can't be all that important to you under most standards that I can imagine.
Now what's really up here?? Slow day and just looking for an argument? I can buy that.
What the heck are you smoking? Did you actually read any of his posts?
You're an alleged atheist and therefore owe no allegiance to the aforementioned deities. Now if you're using them as a vehicle to express offense as a purely secular atheist, then you're posing the wrong argument and surely need to move to France.
..which really can't be all that important to you under most standards that I can imagine.
Now what's really up here?? Slow day and just looking for an argument? I can buy that.
What the heck are you smoking? Did you actually read any of his posts?
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Yes. This is a non-matter for me. It's like arguing if the apples in the movie were fake or ripe or sour.
It's about rhyme and meter and not substance.
Again, have any one of you ever said that life is "unfair" and used it to dismiss something that you consider trivial? If you have, then accept that you may perceive this is unfair ..and it's just tough "stuff" for you. Live with it ..get over with it ..or form a nanny state community support group.
Now if you've never said "life is unfair" to justify some injustice ..then continue to perseverate (a misnomer) endlessly about the injustice being committed here ..even if you're not at all personally offended.
Totally needless and senseless static with absolutely no productive outcome. This isn't "OUR" board. Frankly I find it boldly grandiose.
..but carry on if you find this path of discussion satisfying.
It's about rhyme and meter and not substance.
Again, have any one of you ever said that life is "unfair" and used it to dismiss something that you consider trivial? If you have, then accept that you may perceive this is unfair ..and it's just tough "stuff" for you. Live with it ..get over with it ..or form a nanny state community support group.
Now if you've never said "life is unfair" to justify some injustice ..then continue to perseverate (a misnomer) endlessly about the injustice being committed here ..even if you're not at all personally offended.
Totally needless and senseless static with absolutely no productive outcome. This isn't "OUR" board. Frankly I find it boldly grandiose.
..but carry on if you find this path of discussion satisfying.
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Gary totally misunderstands my posts, - so I am not going to respond - no use. Thanks for some others that do understand what I meant, though.
I will take JHZR's advice now and see what the admin's say about this.
Gary totally misunderstands my posts, - so I am not going to respond - no use. Thanks for some others that do understand what I meant, though.
I will take JHZR's advice now and see what the admin's say about this.
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
The problem is that other religions aren't even allowed to MENTION their deities. The same courtesy is not being afforded to all faiths.
Exactly what I am trying to say - Idk why this is so difficult to understand.
Terms associated with other religions are CENSORED. That's the problem.
The problem is that other religions aren't even allowed to MENTION their deities. The same courtesy is not being afforded to all faiths.
Exactly what I am trying to say - Idk why this is so difficult to understand.
Terms associated with other religions are CENSORED. That's the problem.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Again, have any one of you ever said that life is "unfair" and used it to dismiss something that you consider trivial?
No. That's ridiculous.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Now if you've never said "life is unfair" to justify some injustice ..then continue to perseverate (a misnomer) endlessly about the injustice being committed here ..even if you're not at all personally offended.
Well I can't speak for anyone else, but I am highly offended. I'm also a bit sad that you of all people don't see how one can be offended by something like this without having an allegiance to any of the groups involved.
Unfairness is unfairness. Discrimination is discrimination. Doesn't matter by whom or what, against whom or what.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Totally needless and senseless static with absolutely no productive outcome.
Keep saying that if you'd like, but we haven't seen the outcome.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
This isn't "OUR" board.
No, it isn't. But at least for now, we are allowed to voice our opinion as to how things are run here. I truly believe that Helen and the mods do not intend to discriminate; thus, as a concerned member of BITOG, I feel I should bring it to attention.
Again, I can't speak for everyone here, but I have no intention to troll BITOG. If the privilege to express our opinions is withdrawn, I will stop expressing mine. If I really don't like the outcome, then I will probably stop posting here altogether.
My question is, what's YOUR beef?
Again, have any one of you ever said that life is "unfair" and used it to dismiss something that you consider trivial?
No. That's ridiculous.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Now if you've never said "life is unfair" to justify some injustice ..then continue to perseverate (a misnomer) endlessly about the injustice being committed here ..even if you're not at all personally offended.
Well I can't speak for anyone else, but I am highly offended. I'm also a bit sad that you of all people don't see how one can be offended by something like this without having an allegiance to any of the groups involved.
Unfairness is unfairness. Discrimination is discrimination. Doesn't matter by whom or what, against whom or what.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Totally needless and senseless static with absolutely no productive outcome.
Keep saying that if you'd like, but we haven't seen the outcome.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
This isn't "OUR" board.
No, it isn't. But at least for now, we are allowed to voice our opinion as to how things are run here. I truly believe that Helen and the mods do not intend to discriminate; thus, as a concerned member of BITOG, I feel I should bring it to attention.
Again, I can't speak for everyone here, but I have no intention to troll BITOG. If the privilege to express our opinions is withdrawn, I will stop expressing mine. If I really don't like the outcome, then I will probably stop posting here altogether.
My question is, what's YOUR beef?
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