Chiropractors neck manipulation.....safe?

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Hi folks,

Years ago I went to a chiropractor to fix some mild scholiosis in my back.

I was young then, and the chiropractor regularly adjusted my neck.

Now years later, I have stiffness in my neck although Ive had some pretty rough extra curriculars over the years that I'm sure contributed to it as well.

Although it is scary, you usually only hear when theres been a problem, so the net can make a situation seem worse than it is.

I've signed up for a new clinic locally, but may tell them to skip on the neck crunch. I usually only go to a chiro every 6 months or so these days. Only when stiffness really sets in.

What are everyones thoughts on neck manipulation? It scares the heck out of me, hearing about the incidences of stroke after the neck adjustments.

any thoughts? I wouldnt NOT want to burden my wife with something like that.

any chiropractors out there?

Ryan
 
If you want an honest opinion, I not sure you want to ask a chiropractor. Do you really expect a chiropractor to say "it's not safe...don't do it"?
 
I have the same basic problem, when it's quiet and I turn my head it sounds like gravel.

The best solution I have found is massage. Find a good and reputable local massage place, and then ask which person is the best with necks. It costs me about $60 for an hour, but it really helps with the stiffness and the pain.

Good luck :)
 
Thanks.

Actually, this place is massage as well as Chiro. They told me there werent any vacancies in masage, but when I asked about Chiro they said they would take me on as a massage client if I came for chiro as well.....sketchy.

My idea was to keep the chiro to a minimum, but use the massage services a regularly as possible.
 
As far as I know, there hasn't yet been a good, solid study that has concluded that neck adjustment leads to stroke. The logic behind the possibility of stroke is sound, but given how rarely it seems to occur, it probably requires your blood vessels to have lost some of their flexibility first. This means it shouldn't happen in most cases.

Then again, it might take years for the stroke to develop, so not everyone who has a problem after a neck adjustment will correctly attribute the stroke to it.

The one thing I will say for sure is that chiropractic has only one clearly and systematically demonstrable benefit: temporary relief. All that stuff about adjusting bones, re-aligning vertebrae, relieving pressure from nerves, and so on... total unmitigated horse hockey. That's why, if I were you, I definitely would require a chiropractor to skip the neck adjustment. The risk may be minimal, but the benefit is almost nil.

Of course, the temporary relief that chiropractors provide has VERY real benefits in and of itself. Chiropractors are usually attentive and methodical, and they do employ several well-accepted methods of massage and relaxation. This is quite a powerful combination, and they don't need to play with the limits of your neck's extension to achieve it.
 
Originally Posted By: ryan2022
My idea was to keep the chiro to a minimum, but use the massage services a regularly as possible.

Massage is great.
 
My chiropractor is the only treatment that has worked for me. When to 100% pain 100% of the time to 10% of pain 10% of the time. But I do other treatments too.
 
Yep, Ive seen the results over the years.

It seems to still be quite rare, but one thing I read that made me feel better, is that even with neck manipulations, they always operate within the normal range of your neck. They cant force your body to do something it nromally wouldnt. Granted, some Chiropractors are much better than others.
 
The best chiropractic care (IMHO) will be from one that does DNFT. (directional non-force technique) They are hard to find cause they require a lot of extra schooling after regular chiropractic school.
 
Originally Posted By: ryan2022
I usually only go to a chiro every 6 months or so these days. Only when stiffness really sets in.


I would say that may be a mistake.
Chiro manipulations have better effects as preventive than curative.

I go to mine every two months (at the beginning, it was every three to four weeks until she solved all my problems).
I am moving in my new-to-me house soon, and I have already an appointment just after it.

See that as preventive maintenance. For example, I developped some damages between my lumbar bones (tall guy), and now what she only can do is to limit the crushing in order for the pain (and related problems) to arrive as further in time as possible (but problems will arrive, that cannot be reversed).

As for the choice of a good chiro, mouth-to-ears reputation is the best way to find a good one. We are quite lucky as we probably found one of the best in town, she developed her skills in many disciplines, used a lot of different techniques depending of your problems. We are so confident in her that she is taking care of my 3 years old daughter since she is born.
At the first meeting, she x-rayed my back and neck in order to evaluate the damages, and most importantly, to find out on what side (right or left) she has to turn me when there is a problem (it is not the same for the low part of the back compare to the upper part, I am twisted like most people).

Everything is covered by our insurance (100% reimbursed), but even without that, at 45$ per meeting to avoid having back pain, it is all $ well spend.

BTW, few years ago before meeting her, I would have had the same speech. You have just to find one you trust. Good luck in your search.
 
Most everything that I've had fixed from spinal (including neck) manipulation is due to muscle spams. Basically muscles that knit and don't release. That's the noise you SHOULD hear when the range of motion is forced. "Cracking your back" is the same deal.

Chiropractors have changed techniques over the years. I was manipulated by my DO with a (would be) Linda Blair approach with a twisting motion. Worked great. I could even do it to myself. Then (insert decade) a new guy did a tilting of the head laterally thing. Ever since he employed this technique, I appear no longer able to do the Exorcist method.

Most of this would be unnecessary if you did neck exercises. They're a pain, but I recall them during scholastic wrestling when we practiced bridges. Naturally I don't do them ..
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I use chiroptractic treatment and massage therapy for a back injury suffered back in 2005. Cannot say enough for it but it can be difficult to find a good chiropractor along with a good certified massage therapist. I do not have any neck manipulation done by the chiropractor and rely on massage therapy for neck stiffness.

Works for me and I have successfully avoid surgery for the back injury.

JRB
 
Okay, my answer is going to a be a little winded...

I had a severe car accident where I was rear ended. She was going 70 whilst on her cell phone, I was stopped at a red light. My dodge dakota seats don't have seperate head rests, they seat back is just very tall. So I had a incredible amount of neck and low back pain. Two years latter and not much better I was rear ended again, this time not as severe. At work the pain would be so bad I literally had to hold my head up with my hands.

The first chiropractor I went to was a butcher. His adjustment was the same proceedure everytime. Low back twist [crack, crack], middle back press [crack/pop], and then popping my neck like Rambo breaks necks. The insurance covered it, but twice a week for 8 weeks seemed excessive. I left each appt feeling less pain, but was very tender. Then by chance I found another chiropractor. He's start out the appt with having me look up, left and right. Moving my arms, bending forward. His low and middle back adjustments were the same as the first chiro BUT after each technique he'd have stand up and move around. After a few appointments I got better and describing to him what I was feeling. With my neck he would make a small to medium adjustment and then have me sit up. With the bigger scarier cracks he'd have me walk around the office building and come back while he tended to other patients. He was great and I never got the same cracking regimen twice. Each visit was based on how I was feeling and the extra 5 min he took with me really paid off.

For my birthday my wife got me a membership to Massage Envy. A membership based massage franchise. I would puposely pick therapists who were strong and most importantly listen to them. In a 60min session I'd demand 40 min on my neck and 20 min on my back. I wasn't interested in legs or arms or other muscle groups.

A few years later I'd say my neck is 99% recovered. That's major considering just how messed up it was and the amount of pain killers I was taking. I haven't had any serious problems except for a day of go karting where some friends and I spent an afternoon rear ending each other. I also spent a day organizing tall shelves in the garage and looking up all that time left me really sore the next day.

So after learning all these lessons the hard way here's my advice: Find chiropractor that listens! Stay the heck away from chiropractors who want to sell packages, perscribe followups, or offer any kind of snake oil such as laser treatments, pills, shoes, etc. The reason for all of those add-ons is because their chiropractic skills aren't paying the bills.

The incidents of strokes due to popping your neck is complete and utter bull. If moving your neck is going to induce a stroke then more people should stroke out when they wash their hair or move their neck. And no, chiropractic is NOT addictive. But if done wrong you have to keep going back.

Trust yourself to analyize your sleeping posture. Is it stiff in the morning from the way you sleep? If so then it could be the way you sleep or your pillow being too thick, too thin, too hard, or too soft. I found sleeping on my back my pillow was so thick. I switched to bath towels layered and folded. Now I can sleep with no pillow when I sleep on my back and a medium pillow when I sleep on my side.

Do you not hurt in the morning but do at the end of the day? Well then maybe it's the way you sit, drive, etc.

Find a theraputic massage therapist. That means again, somebody that will listen to what you want. And will use enough pressure to be uncomfortable, but not so much it hurts you in other ways.

I think that getting the chiro to set the bones back in place, using massage to help heal the muscle and break up scar tissue, and being very good about ergonomics your neck will recover.
 
A chiropractor fixed my whiplash after my accident in about two visits. There are good ones and there are ones that milk you dry. Mine was the latter so I stopped going after 6 sessions. Total billed to insurance for those six sessions was ~$1500.
 
Without changing the environment (how you work, how you sit, how you sleep, etc), it is hard to get a fix out of chiropractor. They are like pain killers that relief your pain by fixing the misalignment. If you didn't find and fix the root cause of the mist alignment, it is going to happen again.

My chiropractor is good (good friend of mine before he becomes a chiropractor), and spend extra time working on my case. The problem is, I do not exercise enough and spend way too long in front of a computer (work and school) and until I get that out of the way, I'm not going to be able to fix myself permanently. Until school is done, it is all Advil and neck crunching for me.

So bad, to a point that my insurance ask if I got into a car accident.
 
Originally Posted By: santov
The incidents of strokes due to popping your neck is complete and utter bull. If moving your neck is going to induce a stroke then more people should stroke out when they wash their hair or move their neck.

I'd say normal neck movement is not entirely comparable to moving the neck to the end of its range of motion and then pushing past it.
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Without changing the environment (how you work, how you sit, how you sleep, etc), it is hard to get a fix out of chiropractor. They are like pain killers that relief your pain by fixing the misalignment. If you didn't find and fix the root cause of the mist alignment, it is going to happen again.

Again, the "alignment" thing is [censored]. If your bones were actually "misaligned", you would be in BIG trouble and a LOT of pain.

Otherwise, I agree.
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Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: santov
The incidents of strokes due to popping your neck is complete and utter bull. If moving your neck is going to induce a stroke then more people should stroke out when they wash their hair or move their neck.

I'd say normal neck movement is not entirely comparable to moving the neck to the end of its range of motion and then pushing past it.


That's not how it's done. Usually the patient has restricted neck movement due to muscle spasms and cannot attain the "normal" full range of motion. The manipulation forces the range of motion by manually separating the "stuck" muscles.

This typically would not occur if the neck muscles were in condition to hold your head properly. We do too many weird things to it ..use it in too many oddball ways, and have terrible posture.

Tension and stress can cause this to occur too.
 
If having a Chiropractor setting my neck led to stroke, I'd be dead by now.

My neck has been set 2-3 times a week since I was rear-ended in my Silverado in late December.

Just let the Chiropractor do his job, and get over what ails you as quickly as possible.
 
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