China's Lack of Human Rights-Falun Gong

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Originally Posted By: Jett Rink


What he said. All you wacky religious groups, get used to repression by your respective governments.


Unless the wacky religious group and the government are in it together, then everyone else can get used to repression.
 
Well said, XS650.

The brethren of the church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM), should they ever get any elected officials to kowtow to their own vision of the one true faith and foist it on a heathen public, will practice admirable restraint.

The FSM deserves more followers. According to his followers, heaven contains beer volcanoes and a stripper factory. In hades, the beer is stale and the strippers have VD.
 
Originally Posted By: Jett Rink
Well said, XS650.

The brethren of the church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM), should they ever get any elected officials to kowtow to their own vision of the one true faith and foist it on a heathen public, will practice admirable restraint.

The FSM deserves more followers. According to his followers, heaven contains beer volcanoes and a stripper factory. In hades, the beer is stale and the strippers have VD.


Then, I think I have been to hades.

I am also an Ordained Minister in the Universal Life Church, cost me $20.00.

Does the FSM Church have a recipricosity agreement with the ULC?
 
Originally Posted By: Al
I guess if the Chinese people (who live there) don't change the system. Why should I care?

Exactly how are they supposed to do that?
 
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Does the FSM Church have a reciprocity agreement with the ULC?


Get a transfer card from your sect steward and all fees are waived.
 
Not much on Toaism, Buddish and now Falun Gong, some kinda spinning energy balancing in your guts.

The Chinese people need to rise up and over through that bunch of crimminals. I stress the Chinese people.

As for the Falun Gong, big deal, I've had problems right here in this country because I am RC.
 
Great idea. 1.4 (mori) BILLION people in chaos and hungry (for freedom) and being let out of a box that they've been in all of their lives ..and an emerging superpower's capability.

The aftermath of the bloodbath will spill over into the entire globe with unpredictable consequences.

That's why it's much more sensible to pacify them with commerce.

This surely must be a global security strategic effort. Everything everyone keeps saying assures that this is the case.

In some places ..revolutions work. In others, you have to morph them into something else. It took about 40+ years for the Soviets to be run out of steam. Meanwhile there was a stable situation for the most of it. You'll note what occurred when the governing hand of the Central Committee was removed from the Balkins.
 
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Originally Posted By: Al
I guess if the Chinese people (who live there) don't change the system. Why should I care?

Exactly how are they supposed to do that?

Don't know/don't care. There problem..not mine.
 
Al ..you're forgetting the 3rd Rule of Acquisition:

Never pay more for an acquisition than you have to.
 
Actually, the concept of what is consist of "human right" and what is consist of "annoying" is different between here (US) and there (China)

As someone on the sideline reading the free weekly newsletter from the Falon Gong in San Francisco, I can blame themselves for the lack of social support in mainland china. The articles they write usually contain very one sided opinion against not just people in power, but twisted historic facts of hundreds of years back to support their causes. There are also huge support from the Taiwan's government in the back for their movement. Once they were questioned by a San Francisco Asian TV Network on their financial support background, who pay for them, and how much, and they refuse to answer the question. The consensus is that the donation they received is insufficient for the massive newspaper like distribution, TV network programs, and other marketing events. Their popularity in the International Chinese community is as good as green peace in Texas.

Regarding to Tibet, my understanding is that the government cracked down and murdered monks and protesters that are in numbers of several hundreds. Is this a human right violation? Sure it is, but so are many others across China against the majority Han Chinese (not just the Tibetians), with majority of them being government reclaims residents' land for redevelopment without sufficient compensations due to corruptions. This happens so frequently that while it is news worthy, it is no longer unexpected or shocking, or generate massive protests across the nation or cities. Regarding to Tibet, are their lives better under China or worse? It is both. They do have a better living standard compare to 50 or so years ago, much like the Native Americans today live better than 200 years ago due to the general wealth of the society, with access to limited education, health care, and public services; a majority of them were farm slaves of monasteries. However, their freedom of religion do get limited. Imagine you go to a state run church that preach something completely not your choice, that the priests/nuns/pastors are secret polices of the government, you probably wouldn't feel too well. In general, they are living like Native peoples in America, Australia, or Latin America that are low income 2nd class citizens with lower education background than the dominating immigrants from Europe.
 
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While it might appear that I am pro China in terms of Human Right. I am not. I was part of the million man march (in a 6 million population city - Hong Kong) against Beijing's suppression of the university students and protesters on Aug 9th 1989. I was in elementary school and thought that it is the biggest damage a government can ever done to its citizens.

Do I hate the government? I still do, and I think most of the dictators are still at large despite the newer generation of leaders are more moderates and not as extreme in crack downs. Corruptions are still rampant (not as bad as before, but still), but people have more freedom now (as long as you vent among your friends, not in a large gathering, you are ok).

However, I do not believe that Falon Gong is more of a cult with a political motivation and support from another government rather than representative of people's opinion, and Tibet would be better off being part of China (although I believe they are entitle to their own country, much like Alaska, Hawaii, California, The Deep South, Taiwan, Hong Kong, North Ireland, Quebec, etc).
 
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